NS: The Hawkeye TV series trailer

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Anyone else getting "Die Hard" vibes from this? :)

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I do wonder how they'll address the "I basically became a Punisher-esque serial killer because I thought my family were dead" subplot, because that was definitely messed up.

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[iamrman]

Yippie-ki-yay!

Also, Lucky the Pizza Dog! :D

[tinygaylaura]

Lucky is a good dog :)

[thanekos]

I was not expecting " Clint goes to Central Park Ren Faire " at 1:24.

[cyberghostface]

Clint killing mobsters doesn’t even scratch the surface of the messed up things the heroes of the MCU have done.

[nyadnar17]

I came here to argue and then I started thinking about it.

Does Clint even have the resources to commit some of the big boy crimes the other Avengers have done?

[nyadnar17]

This looks really, really good.

[dcbanacek]

So after 30+ years Captain America FINALLY got that musical that Marvel was advertising for. (Although from what I've read, Cap really dodged a bullet with that one)

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/the_captain_america_music

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The idea reminds me more than a little of;

A Supersititious Cowardly Lot!

[silverhammerman]

Hard not to draw unfavourable comparisons between this and the Fraction/Aja/Wu series (I'd like to think they're all getting a payday out of this, but given Brubaker's comments on getting stiffed for Winter Soldier, I doubt it) when they're lifting whole elements (the car, the exchange about arrows, the tracksuit-wearing mafiosos). The MCU Hawkeye debuted just before the whole "Hawkguy" take and they're built on very different ideas, so adapting that series in any way was always going to feel like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, but it's sort of uncanny to see them try.

Of course a screen version of Hawkeye was never going to adapt the Rockford Files adjacent vibe of the comic, but I do think it does kind of suck to see the distinct look and feel of the comic not really be present. Even the palette is gone. More significantly I think it'll be a real shame if this series is as light and zippy as the trailer seems to suggest; "Hawkguy" was a much needed look at a Marvel Universe where it felt like people actually lived, it was about the schlubbiest Avenger getting into a fight over gentrification, a much needed breath of air in a Marvel U which felt increasingly unmoored from real life or humanity. That's something that the MCU desperately needs, not another story about a government-backed spree killer evading consequences.

I will say, the background gag about a Steve Rogers musical is pretty good, some much needed texture, and even funnier if you think about it. It's a biography! Do they just awkwardly cut it off after World War 2 or do they get to the present and talk about him maybe committing light treason? Is the final musical number about how he fucked off to the past to bang a woman he hadn't seen in a over a decade and because he didn't use his knowledge of the future to help anyone, he indirectly let 9/11 happen? Rogers is low key brilliant as a Hamilton riff because Steve Rogers should be a do-nothing Lib icon in the MCU.

[icon_uk]

I think you could do something if he was formerly on the SHIELD Payroll and had access to their resources, but now doesn't, except when they call him in on a mission.

[sadoeuphemist]

Rogers is low key brilliant as a Hamilton riff because Steve Rogers should be a do-nothing Lib icon in the MCU.

Holy shit this is an incredible comparison.

[scorntx]

Now, be fair. Steve also didn't use his knowledge of the future to warn anyone about Loki trying to level New York, Hydra infiltrating everywhere and wanting to genocide everyone who might have been a threat to them, Ultron, or Thanos wiping out exactly half of all life in the universe either.
Or the dozens of other horrible things that happened around the world between 1945 and 2008.

And the more important questions are: Does the musical leave in his father being an Irish stereotype? Does it just leave out Peggy entirely? How much of the Stucky does it leave in?
Won't bother asking if it removes Sam because of course it would.

[deh_tommy]

Unless you’re using specific methods or tech to allow you to do alter your specific past (which the Avengers didn’t have), time travel in the MARVEL multiverse doesn’t work like that. If Steve goes back in time to stop 9/11 and then goes back to the present, he’ll be in a world where nothing’s changed, he’ll just have stopped that past’s 9/11 from coming to pass. For all we know, after he went back he saved Bucky, stopped 9/11, dismantled Hydra totally, liberated the Red Room, prevented 9/11, lead America into a new golden age of progress and lived happily ever after in a loving throuple with Peggy and his past self who was frozen in the ice.

That’s pretty much the whole plot of Loki. That’s why the Avengers needed to bring the Infinity Stones to their time instead of stopping Thanos before he could use them. That’s how Nebula was able to kill her past self and not fade from existence. That’s why defeating past Thanos didn’t undo his initial snap.

[coldfury]

To be fair, comics Hawkeye has been a *mess* ever since Avengers Disassembled. Bendis's eventual version of the character was heavily unmoored from the previous iterations. Hawkeye went from being the loudmouth, womanizing jerk who tried to do the right thing and was a decent backup leader and had an almost Spider-Man level no-kill code, to someone willing to attempt to murder Norman Osborn under Bendis's pen.

(To be fair, some of that is Bendis, and some of that is that sometime in the 00's there was a shift where most Avengers type characters went from 'we don't kill' to 'We get the job done and that means killing when needed'. The biggest example I can think of is when Cap threw terrorists off an elevated railcar in Brubaker's run.)

Add in the bleed-in from the Ultimates/MCU that started to happen after the movies took off in popularity, and Hawkeye really became unmoored from his classic interpretation. Hawkguy was an attempt to reframe Hawkeye in a way that captured some of the classic characterization, in my eyes, while also trying to make him more of a 21st Century everyman.

I think it was partially successful, but we still see Hawkeye bounce around between his superhero persona to his shield agent MCU inspired persona.

(in writing this I realized I didn't know what Hawkeye was currently up to and the marvel wiki says they have him tussling with the Hood of all people. Ugh.)

[angry_marmot]

Very well said re Fraction/Aja/Wu's Hawkguy. Good to see Pizza Dog and Kate, but I want my "orphan raised by carnies fighting with a stick and a string" that the MCU couldn't seem to manage.

[pyynk]

That is some strong Shane Black energy by way of Fraction and Aja and I'm very much on board.

[cainofdreaming]

Weird seeing Clint be the adult one of this duo.

[cyberghostface]

Trailer looks good. I wonder since Echo is here if that means there's a chance Kingpin will show up.

[scorntx]

Not particularly a fan of... well, pretty much anything Marvel's done with Hawkeye since the Thunderbolts days. Never really been into Fraction's writing on anything, or the Loser Protagonist idea, so making a series based on that doesn't hold any special appeal to me.
But I'm still gonna watch it anyway.

Do find it mildly amusing that even getting his own series Hawkeye has Kate and Echo alongside.
I get it. We're all well and truly tired of White Male Protagonist by now (hopefully). But it does give the serious impression someone doesn't trust either Hawkeye or Renner to carry audience interest enough on their own.

Now... just to get it out of the way: which character is secretly Mephisto, and what is somehow going to be used to bring in the X-Men?
The dog, or the Captain America musical?

[lordy_co]

ut it does give the serious impression someone doesn't trust either Hawkeye or Renner to carry audience interest enough on their own.

I think Marvel/Disney didn't have much of an option on this case: the MCU version of Hawkeye has never been that much interesting and while Renner isn't a bad actor, there's just too much controversy around him. Bringing in two female characters who actually make sense to be there is a good move.

[lordy_co]

This looks very fun, and as others have said it's kind of weird (in a good way) to have Clint as the adult, competent side of the duo. Hope I can convince my bf to watch it with me.

[stubbleupdate]

Big vibes of Hawkeye vs. Deadpool with this



And did I see Carrie Anne Moss? Was she in the Netflix Marvel stuff?

[cygnia]

Shoot...I wanna say she was in Jessica Jones?

[shakalooloo]

Gimme 'why a boomerang arrow?' and it's all good. Even without, I am so down for this.

Maybe the musical will serve as an excuse to have a character wear the purple Hawkeye costume?

[leahandillyana]

Ah, yes. The man who has spent years traveling the world to kill villains of color while ignoring both WASPy villains and anything his Avengers friends might need him for. A great subject for a tv series on a child-focused VOD service. Freaking LOKI is more sympathetic and reasonable than Hawkeye.

[zachbeacon]

I know It was present in the comic but I really feel like they're playing up the Christmas thing just for the "bow" pun.

Hopefully they cast new Hawkeye better than old Hawkeye.

[scorntx]

On an additional note, I was concerned that Swordsman might have been given the Batroc treatment - remade into a GRIM and SERIOUS character who kills lots of people instead of... whatever it is about Swordsman people liked (the mustache?)

But going by the tone of this trailer, that doesn't seem like it'll be a problem.

[donnblake]

Personally I appreciated the disdain the omniscient narrator seemed to have for him- going on about what a loser he was as he was actively sacrificing his life to save the woman he loved.