Don't f*** with JJJ

[lordultimus]

Comments

[shakalooloo]

DID he ever get charged with that murder?

[blues32]

Hrm. If a criminal dies and comes back, do the past crimes still stand? Surely the records get closed at that point...

[nyadnar17]

If you came back you weren't really dead and it time to get charged with fraud and tax evasion on top of your other crimes.

[blues32]

I meant in comics, where resurrection is a thing. For example, is Otto Octavious still wanted for past crimes? His original corpse is still around somewhere. Come to think of it, he died before that too.

[thediiem]

If She-Hulk is canon, people in the Marvel Universe have their full legal rights while dead and after resurrection (remember Thanos did kill half of the world a while ago and those people can't retroactively be treated as legally dead, so case law if nothing else). Past crimes stand, so should one be able to legally prove a criminal has a soul on which they could exercise habeas corpus (habeas spiritus, I guess), the state could charge a dead murderer with a murder they committed and sentence the dead murderer to soul jail. The real loophole question is whether someone sentenced to life in prison has the remainder of their sentence voided if they die and come back.

[shakalooloo]

It'd be nice to have an X-Men issue just conclude with Bastion being led away in cuffs by cops while Jameson looks on, Cyclops giving him a thumbs-up.

[cainofdreaming]

Do robots have rights in the MU anyway? Didn't Vision get disassembled by a government agency without so much as a phonecall?

[shakalooloo]

They do have rights, since a big part of 'Avengers AI' (RIP) was Maria Hill championing a movement to have them removed. Didn't stop her having an innocent LMD murdered before the law changed, of course.

[cainofdreaming]

Didn't seem like those were in effect by the time of Iron Man 2020/Machine Man stories. Bots were getting their sentiences modified into slave mode, taken apart while still conscious and other horrible stuff.

[shakalooloo]

I think all the stuff that Baintronics was up to was meant to be shady and not on-the-level, the sort of sweatshop labour a bling eye is turned to if it gets increased profits. When Tony himself was being a douche to Friday and Jocasta, he certainly got called out on it.

Arno's legal argument for Tony losing the company wasn't that he wasn't a person, but that he wasn't the SAME person as the original Tony Stark.

[cainofdreaming]

Government had anti-robot shock troops, had sentient robots classified as property, was perfectly fine with Arno going around killing unarmed bots trying to run away from aforementioned shock troops, other companies than Baintronics were using sentient robots too -- as crash test dummies for an example... so I'd say it wasn't just Arno and the Sunset copy working in secret.

[donnblake]

I've always liked Jameson as a principled, fearless journalist, whose fatal flaws happens to be a Spider-Man sized blind-with-rage spot.

[tripodeca113]

He's just holding Spider-Man accountable for his vigilantisms.

[armycat23]

Not really. There were others who did the same thing as Spiderman that Jonah not only passed over, but encouraged. Let's not even go into him creating supervillians outside the law.

[cainofdreaming]

"I was never strictly trying to murder Spider-Man."

"So, Spider-Slayers were supposed to be an ironic name?"

[lordultimus]

Actually, the name was entirely Smythe's idea. Even Jonah's not that anti-Spider-Man.

[cygnia]

Jonah understands branding.

[blues32]

By accusing him of crimes? Like when he first assumed (and published) that Electro was Spider-Man in a different costume?

[beyondthefringe]

On the one hand, JJJ is a fearless, principled, incorruptible, crusading journalist.

On the other, he's a fearmongering, muckraking tabloid-publishing rage-basket who's sponsored the creation of half a dozen super-villains and murderbots.

[dan_ingram]

The publisher you have is never the publisher you want

[donnblake]

This is true. Probably inevitable for anyone with 50+ years of continuity, there's a lot of JJJ stories to comb through, and you more or less have to pick the ones that let you assemble a workable version of the character.

My preferred version of Jameson, although certainly not the only valid one that can be constructed from canonical stories about the character, is as a good man and good journalist, with a serious flaw. Then you can either dial up that flaw to tragic proportions, and let his obsession with Spider-Man consume and destroy him, dial it down and let him get over himself as in the Ultimate Spider-Man books, or keep it in equilibrium so he remains, as in this story, a man who will do the right thing- except that sometimes he'll fail to, especially when it comes to THAT WALL CRAWLING MENACE.

[an_idol_mind]

This scene made a big impression on me as a young reader.

The strength of the Marvel Universe comes from characters who are good people with believable flaws. I feel like it's gotten away from that over the past couple of decades.

[stubbleupdate]

Did Bastion just have that CD loose in his pocket? It'll be unreadable and scratched between that and being chucked on the desk

[shakalooloo]

Nanotech. He has a pocketful of nano-sentinels whose sole purpose is to keep un-scratching CDs he keeps in there.

[stubbleupdate]

Considering the time period, even Bastion, a man with no history, should have a desk full of cardboard AOL sleeves

[numeronone]

So much Resting Scowly Face.

[gnarll]

Someone once suggested giving Jameson a past involving fighting the Klan (See also Supermans fights with the real Klan). I though that was an awsome idea.

Strong supporter of minorities, with a believable hatred of people who hide behind masks and engage in violence behind the protection of anonymity.

[lissa_quon]

My god - I love it. Why hasn't this been done?

[lordultimus]

They actually did once - in a What If, but still.

[shadowpsykie]

this is the Jonah i love!