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Now that I have scans of every freaking issue of BATMAN and DETECTIVE COMICS(I out-nerd you all for all time)--In response to(and supplemental to) this excerpt from RETURN OF BRUCE WAYNE and the suggestion it's resting on something too obscure for most, here is the basis of what Morrison is doing. (That and Amadeus Arkham's Bat-Demon that he thought he was binding)
From summer 1990, certainly not a year when Batman projects were low-profile(I worked in a comics store that summer; believe me, this sold) an overview I've stitched together from Batman 452-454 by Peter Milligan and Kieron Dwyer, "Dark Knight/Dark City." You should track this down
And this is the Barbatos ritual, with the man(though unnamed here) who will be, I'm betting you now, Dr. Hurt. This is a little gem Milligan left Batman with a long time ago, and I'm glad Morrison finally decided to pick up this fertile thread. (Too bad the execution in this particular issue of ROBW is so slapdash, unusual in a story that's so far been done beautifully) Anyway, be confused no more. Here is the force at the core of Gotham.

















You could also argue that he's what Reggie Mantle would be if he were a Batman villain. Rock that widow's peak, Eddie! (When did he get the brown, full hair, anyway?)





(PS if interested: This week's LULU.)
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Date: 2010-07-31 12:54 pm (UTC)Chatting to demons and prepared to murder random innocents? Nope, not liking that at all.
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Date: 2010-07-31 01:03 pm (UTC)Also, I just have to go back to my usual: IMO, these are Gotham villains. They're meant to be threatening. This was long before Eddie "reformed"--he wasn't even an ambiguous villain like Selina, but rather more in the same general ballpark as the Joker as far as his level of villainy. These aren't the Rogues, these are villains who get into it for the SAKE of doing bad things. And getting rich.
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Date: 2010-07-31 01:08 pm (UTC)I just have to go back to my usual: IMO, these are Gotham villains. They're meant to be threatening.
Not really (IMHO to of course), they're meant to be CHALLENGING, specifically; challenging to Batman. They can be threatening to him (and by association, Robin and Gordon) all they like of course, but too many of them have veered into murder-death-kill territory to pander to some sort of lowest common denominator, when they really didn't need to.
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Date: 2010-07-31 01:42 pm (UTC)http://www.jlroberson.org/scansdaily/det_140_07.jpg
Corn is hard to escape from.
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Date: 2010-08-01 09:57 am (UTC)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FreeStamp.jpg
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Date: 2010-08-01 12:06 pm (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2010-07-31 07:19 pm (UTC)He shouldn't be going around with murder on his mind, if someone dies it should simply be a case of them not being smart enough to get out of a death trap.
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Date: 2010-07-31 02:47 pm (UTC)I always thought the Riddler's patient interview tapes from Batman: Arkham Asylum did a pretty good job at capturing several facets of his personality. I don't know if I can embed here, so here's a link for those who may be interested.
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Date: 2010-07-31 03:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-07-31 03:34 pm (UTC)It is very well done (I couldn't deny that even if I wanted to) but I am glad that Eddie isn't taken in this direction too often.
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Date: 2010-08-01 06:53 am (UTC)And I still maintain it does fit, because there is an overall purpose behind all of what he carefully manipulates Batman into. There is a method behind it. I could even think of his having killed the guard in the name of concision and efficiency(in his own mind) because he's surplus("totally expendable") to needs--i.e. having him there as well might have fucked up what the Riddler was trying to pull off, and it was important the man(whether he dies or not) be hanged and that Batman do mouth-to-mouth. Eddie's not crazy exactly, but that doesn't mean he has much in the way of empathy either: he's a classic antisocial narcissistic personality. The difference with the Joker would be that the Joker would simply be killing just because it's fun. The fun for the Riddler is in the overall plan, and making Batman sweat. He's just playing it nastier here than usual.
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Date: 2010-07-31 02:51 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2010-07-31 08:10 pm (UTC)Whereas the Joker is the Bright!Manic!Joyous! to counteract Batman's Grim!Gritty!Dark!, the Riddler is the counterpoint to Batman's intellect. The Joker challenges the dark knight from an emotional standpoint--he evokes an emotional, visceral reaction from the hero through acts of senseless violence; the Riddler, on the other hand, evokes a response from the rational, logical side of him. They work on entirely different levels as villains.
One of the reasons we never see a good Riddler story is that with a character whose IQ is so outrageously high, it's hard for writers of average--or even above average--intelligence to come up with a scheme/clues/riddles/motivations worthy of that intellect.
The beauty of Edward as a character, I think, is that he's not limited to a single end result to his crimes. Yes, he leaves riddles behind, but the Master Plan itself can be anything. The Riddler can be about blackmail, theft, manipulation for the sake of manipulation, power, attention, 'redemption'--whether real or not--any number of things.
In many ways, the Joker is far more predictable as a villain than the Riddler is. The Joker is pretty much guaranteed to kill/maim someone in the course of his crime, no matter what the crime is; the Riddler might or he might not. And while I don't think that makes him scarier than the Joker, I think it makes him a formidable foe for Batman at the very least.
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Date: 2010-07-31 11:03 pm (UTC)I quite liked the take they had on Riddler in the "Justice" maxiseries which was that thanks to a father who beat him if he lied, the Riddler is psychologically incapable of not telling the truth, so whilst he can commit crimes without a problem (So he can be as dishonest as he wants provided he's NOT lying), he couches everything in cryptic clues and riddles to hide what he's really up to.
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