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The All-Father commands it!

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mistervader

The one time I didn't mind seeing a mythic figure actually using a gun. So 90's, but timelessly badass all at the same time.

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"So 90's"

Which is weird, considering this is from 1985-6.

An portent.

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mistervader

Oh, I'm sorry. Something must have given me the idea this was a 90's thing...

I think it was this: http://luchins.com/dickery/Thor_435_thor_with_a_gun.jpg

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I don't have that issue.

I must possess it now.

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mistervader

Looking at the scans, yeah, that's definitely 80's art, on second thought. It was just the use of guns where it didn't seem apt that made me think it was a 90's comic.

Not nearly enough crosshatching to be 90's art.

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sherkahn

Nor pouches.

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I've got it and could send it to you, if you'd like.

And damn, I'm only twenty issues away from that in my reading. I wonder if I would be missing too much if I just skipped the entire Dark Age. Probably, and anyway the completist in me rebels at the thought. *sigh*

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You're too kind.

I know the urge to skip eras but I tend to be a completist. If I collect something, I collect it. Lol.

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That cover angle of the gun and the "No more mr. nice guy" looks straight off of Frank Miller's classic Daredevil and Punisher matchup.

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arysteia

I still don't know who these people are (well, except Thor, *g*) and I still don't care. I was waiting for you to post this. Awesome.

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I'd seen some of these scans before, but I just finished reading the whole arc for the first time, and it was so awesome. ♥ Walt Simonson. I also like that everyone seems to have agreed that it was so awesome that it should never be undone -- I think Skurge is possibly the only person in the Marvel Universe besides Uncle Ben who's actually stayed dead.

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hawkmoondirge

You could argue swordsman, he's only been alive as a zombie/ chaos war.

Oh and baron zemo number 1! he's staye dead. :)

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*tear*

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*manly tear of manly sadness"

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My grrly *tear* will stand up to your manly *tear*, Any. Day. Bub!

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bluefall

Every. Single. Time. Half a dozen read-throughs for me now and still, every single time.

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*hanky*

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hawkmoondirge

This is brilliant example of how to kill off a character. No fuss no big deal. The character does what they do and freaking loives it, and dies for a cause they appreciate. This strikes both an emotion and no emotion, for it doesn't make you sad, it makes you appreciate how complez a character Skurge was, and how under-used he truely was. Beyond that has anyone ever noticed supporting cast deraths are superior 99% of the time

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Re: supporting character deaths, I think it's because a) unlike main characters they have a much higher chance of sticking, so we get more emotional because we know they really might not be coming back (whereas if it's a hero we just go Like You Would Really Do It), and b) a lot of the time we find it easier to identify with a supporting character than a hero, who's generally an ideal. And if we do identify with the hero, then we're mourning the loss of their friend anyway.

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nezchan

That's why Crisis on Infinite Earths was such a big deal at the time. Not only did they Not Really Do It for lead character deaths, but they were frequently undone in the same issue. To have so many characters Really, Truly Dead, and the startling manner of Kara and Barry's deaths, it was shocking.

Today it's a little different, but it's still (narratively) nice to see a lead die, when they Really, Really Mean It.

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We shall have to disagree.

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aaron_bourque

I do not hope to die violently, but if I must, I can only hope my death is 1/100th as cool and badass as this.

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icon_uk

Trouble with posting this is as the master post is, what the Hel can anyone else post which is a tenth as powerful or cool a moment.

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It was not intended as the master post but......

IT IS THE MASTER.

With Skurge I have thrown down the gauntlet!

Let the battle begin!

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Thus the basis of it's allure?

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korvarthefox.livejournal.com

Still get chills when I read this - and I first read it when it came out originally!

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valtyr

This is magnificent, but my favourite bit is Skurge saying that Baldur is too kind to laugh at him.

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valtyr

By which I should elaborate, my favourite heroes, in general, are the ones who are kind, and it's a quality often overshadowed by badassery and big fights. Grand gestures are great and I love them, but the sort of daily kindness that means Baldur's never laughed at Skurge is something I find very powerful, and Skurge's awareness and appreciation of that kindness is really touching.

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"Motto and High-Five"

"my favourite heroes, in general, are the ones who are kind, and it's a quality often overshadowed by badassery and big fights."

I agree and I think it's why we share an admiration of heroes like Balder and Steve.

I agree it is powerful. Especially when you consider that Skurge has crossed swords with Balder for centuries. But still admires him, there is a page I didn't poste here (It's on my other Skurge post) but it's where a demon of Hel is trying to trick Skurge and Balder warns him. The demon, who has taken the form of the Enchantress says Balder is lying. Skurge immidently rears back with the thought "Yet Balder spoke and the Bright One never lies!"

I loved how even though Balder has kicked his ass up and down the Nine Worlds and how Skurge tried to kill him again and again, it never crosses his mind for a moment that Balder would lie.

Balder is my favorite Thor character and in my top ten characters of all time list. Not because he's a powerful Norse God but because he stands out from the crowd with his kindness. He once down the sword and tried to walk the path of non-violence. He questioned Asgard's culture and prophecy.

And I love his complex and trope-reversal relationship with Karnilla, Queen of the Norns.

A great character and perfect companion for Thor when used right.

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valtyr

Yes, definitely - Baldur is a genuinely decent person; not just saving people from monsters, but giving his cloak to a guy who's cold, without a moment's thought. Not that the other Asgardians aren't good people - it's one of the reasons I did like JMS's run, that the Asgardians were nice, like Hogun helping change a tyre - but Baldur is just, well, he's constantly thinking of the effects his actions have on others, he's genuinely introspective rather than emo or wangsty.

And I think that's even better because he's not super-smart or super-powerful, but he doesn't let that stop him from giving his all, whether it's going after enemies or trying to lead a fractious court. Yes, moving in with Doom was pretty stupid, but Baldur gave it thought and felt it was the best decision he could make at the time, and could explain his reasoning. And he is genuinely and sincerely remorseful when he doesn't live up to his own standards.

Yeah, he's a fantastic supporting character; I loved the Thor-Loki-Baldur interplay in JMS's run.

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*That's* the other posting of this topic I remember, and the other scan that you mentioned!

I'll admit, I *still* have issues with the inkings done, in this era (had a tendency to look rather sloppy; I had similar issues with certain titles in the INFERNO storyline, for similar reasons) but this is one of the few that actually sits well ... also one of the few times that Balder's old armour doesn't bug me (but it still reminds me of 'dueling Pac-Men', on top of his head)

I know - one man's drink, another's poison!

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Motto. I love kind heroes. Balder when he's written well is one of my favorites. (Steve will probably always be first, though.)

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jlroberson

I remember this as when I started gradually not being as excited to buy this and a few months later, my last issue of it was my last Marvel till about 1999. The reason was this was when I noticed Marvel trying to insert freaking guns, bigger and bigger all the time, into their comics, even in a place where people have magic hammers that can bring down the sky. I wondered why Marvel spent so much time promoting guns and other weapons. Some of the Punisher stuff then was even worse--there was some HANDBOOK type special which detailed each and every one of his weapons, not all of which were fanciful. That's a fetish I associate with Larry Hama, Marvel's answer to John Milius.

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amaniwolf

I remember this,....all i could think was...wow. I had hated Skurge and then he was gone. I recall Thor speaking with i think Balder about Loki's death and he said something that fits this completely. He lived poorly, but he died well.

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halloweenjack

Simonson's run has many crowning moments of awesome (as I'm sure most s_ders know by now), but I love this issue so hard it's not even funny.

It also reminds me of someone I read about recently, who made his stand and lived:

One grenade fell on the lip of Gurung’s trench. He quickly grabbed it and hurled it back at the enemy. Almost immediately another grenade came over. This one fell directly inside the trench. Again Gurung snatched it up and threw it back.

A third grenade landed just in front of the trench. Gurung attempted to throw it back, but it exploded in his hand, blowing off his fingers, shattering his right arm and severely wounding him in the face, body and right leg. His two comrades were also badly wounded and lay helpless in the bottom of the trench.

The enemy, screaming and yelling, now formed up shoulder to shoulder and attempted to rush the position by sheer weight of numbers. Gurung, regardless of his wounds, loaded and fired his rifle with his left hand and kept up a steady rate of fire.

The attacks came in wave after wave, but the Japanese were beaten back with heavy losses. For four hours Gurung remained alone at his post, calmly waiting for each new onslaught, firing into his attackers at point blank range, determined not to yield an inch of ground. His comrades could hear him shouting: “Come and fight a Gurkha!”

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I've read of that story before. Epic.

You like badasses who lived and fell. You'll like this website.

http://www.badassoftheweek.com/index.html

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nezchan

This whole day is going to make me cry, I know it.

Oh damn, and there's an entry about Eddy.

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bewareofgeek

I feel I have to defend the guns in this case, as the crown of a long subplot in this Thor era.

Basically, when Surtur invaded Earth, everyone and his uncle came out to help, including the 82nd Airborne. And they met up with the armies of Asgard (the Einherjar) after it was all over, and (as soldiers are wont to do) did some "horse trading".

In other words, the Einherjar ended up with a couple of cases of M-16s. And when the time came to invade Hel, they took the new weapons along, leading to an earlier scene in this issue where we see Harokin, leader of the Einherjar, give this immortal command:

"This is our moment! The weapons we took from Midgard shall speak to Hela in a tongue she can understand! Close up the ranks... and on my signal-..."

"OPEN FIRE!!!"

Bad. Ass.

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"Whenever they laugh, I hurt inside."

Love emo.

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Nah, that's true emotion.

Emo cries because it can't be this and then listens to more Linkin Park.

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You just say that because it's internet cool to make fun of people who say that they hurt inside.

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I only make fun when they say they hurt inside and don't battle the warriors of Hel to the end.

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Living is for wusses!

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Would you rather be alive or METAL!

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pallas_athena

It is impossible that anything should be more epic or metal than this. NONE MORE METAL.

Mind you, I end up saying that about a lot of Simonson Thor.

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