A cover from upcoming Justice League: Generation Lost

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Now, normally I'm a little dense in spotting some of the more complex or abstract forms of sexism. One of the benefits of being a regular here is that I hope I've gotten better at it...



However, in this case, even for me it's sort of hard to miss.

Courtesy of Newsarama



That's just.... all kinds of wrong....

Also a quote which reminds me why I have so little time for Judd Winick (though I know many do have time for him, and mazel tov to them)

Nrama: Another character who recently came into Generation Lost is Bruce Wayne. You've written both Bruce and Dick, and I know you've said before that Dick has a little more humor to him. How is it writing Bruce as part of the JLI, surrounded by characters who make readers laugh?

Winick: Something I've always said about Dick Grayson is that when he's fighting the bad guys out in the field, there's no joking going on. He's not quipping. As Batman, Dick Grayson knows the role he has to play. But when he's around his friends, people that he knows, he makes jokes. He's still Dick Grayson, and I treat him like that. I got to do that a lot in Power Girl.

But when Bruce shows up, it's a different thing. He's not much older than these characters, but for them, it's almost like, "Dad's home." They have reverence for him. They know what he's capable of and they know his dedication.

It's the "when he's fighting the bad guys out in the field, there's no joking going on. He's not quipping" that I think I take some issue with, Dick is still very prone to quipping IMHO, and that's as it should be; His Batman is the Batman HE created, not Bruce's Batman.

Though this is part of my dislike of Dick continuing as Batman, I'm not sure does the character THAT many favours. Aside from him having no unique identity, in groups shots of DC characters he now is less likely to appear, since two Batmen is confusing and Bruce has precedence.

Comments

Mod note

[greenmask]

Just going to note that "does not mean it was meant as an attack on female characters" is not at all the best tack to take. A pure intent does not negate the possibility of offence, and if someone is accidentally sexist (etc) it is down to them to listen to their detractors, learn about contextual offence, and do better next time.

It is not a requirement that someone accidentally offended say "Oh well if you didn't MEAN to hurt me then I guess there was no need for me to make such a fuss!"

Re: Mod note

[blackruzsa]

Point.

Although it doesn't mean the creators or others will see the offense off the bat. Given that the message I replied to implied that we should see it clear as day, it was difficult for me to understand how and why we should see it like it was obviously offensive.

So it's not the issue that got me, it was how person above stated it.

Mod note

[greenmask]

And, as has been mentioned on S_D many times, the tone of a person's statement does not have priority over what they are saying. If you feel a member is being rude, please contact the mod team - don't make a thread that has been started about social justice segue into "your manners are appalling!".

Secondly, I understand that it is troubling to have more expected of you than you can currently give. Nevertheless, members have no responsibility to be understanding about the massive ethical shortcomings that they see in the individual professionals' outputs, or the companies of the industry.

Put simply: scans daily has no responsibility to care whether the creators see what is so offensive about their products when we are discussing them amongst ourselves. That is the creators' shortcoming - members do not need to apologise for having apparently travelled more widely in their studies of contextual offensiveness.

If you find that you are cross because a member is assuming you understand more than you do, it is more appropriate to attempt to understand with an open mind, than to say "well I don't see it, why are you saying that?" and trying to argue the case back to the point at which you currently stand. Not all members will be willing to reply, but a simple "please, I don't understand your point but I would like to" will no doubt gain the attention of at least one commenter who'll be pleased to help