Generation Hope 10

[shadowpsykie]

I posted these Images because a couple of people have been wondering "what Idie was thinking" when she went in to fight the Hellfire Club. What her motivations were. Also someone only saw the one panel that showed Idie saying "Is there anyone else i need to kill" and thought she was now a sociopath. admittedly without context that is what that panel makes her look like. so because of that I posted some context and the rest of that page the panel is from.

It miiight be pushing the page limit... so please let me know and i will adjust accordingly... its about two pages and a couple of panels...

Comments

[proteus_lives]

Seems almost like some serious PTSD.

[darkknightjrk]

With a serious helping of self-loathing at that.

[shadowpsykie]

yes, see below.

[proteus_lives]

That's a dangerous combo.

[shadowpsykie]

after what she just went through... yeah... and by looks of the end of Schism three... its not over... She was terrified, her friends were down, she JUST SAW one of the possible futures for mutants (A recording of Ex-Hound Rachel) and she knows these guys want them dead. "She did what she felt she had to." and now she is living with this.

Idie is actually one of the most interesting characters IN generation hope... because of her upbringing, she has been told her entire life that she is Sinful that her very nature, being a mutant, is sinful. She see's a picture of the original x-men, and says "I don't understand, why are they smiling" the very idea of "Out Mutants" being happy as mutants amazes her because "How can anyone be happy as a sinner?" This girl even believes, "Why shouldn't governments have genocidal robots to protect them, that is what a government is supposed to do. protect its people."

maybe because as a gay catholic i kinda... understand Idie's pov a bit... ther have been times i have felt like she has.... she is confused... throw all this into it...?

[proteus_lives]

I get that. I've got a bud who is a gay catholic, he's expressed similar feelings.

[shadowpsykie]

Yeah... Its an interesting relationship

[icon_uk]

Indeed

It resounds.....

[capt_satellite]

I was brought up in a religious background where I felt I was never good enough to make God's cut.

Re: It resounds.....

[shadowpsykie]

The thing is, it's not the religion I have a problem with, it's the politics

Re: It resounds.....

[icon_uk]

First time I heard this prayer (which I'm told has music, but I've never heard it) I thought it encapsulated the nature of the God I believe in.

Re: It resounds.....

[shadowpsykie]

Brb crying now.... That's the God I believe in too

[valismedsen]

*maybe because as a gay catholic i kinda... understand Idie's pov a bit... ther have been times i have felt like she has.... she is confused... throw all this into it...?*


i come from the same background, gay catholic. i can understand that feeling as well.
and i'm hot for right now, for some unexplainable reason *blushes*

[shadowpsykie]

Hot for right now...? O_o do tell...

[valismedsen]

oh boy, that might be the first inverse case of a freudian slip/repression (or maybe i was just drowsy)... hot for you, my dear christian fellow, lol.

[shadowpsykie]

*blush* lol

[amancalledblaze]

Wow

and I'm curious, who's the girl in the pink with the Apocolyspe looking facial markings?

[aaron_bourque]

Laurie Trommette, aka Transonic. Superspeed flight and related shapeshifting.

[drmcninja]

I see she's making good progress in the Gratuitous Buttshot direction.

[aaron_bourque]

. . .

So this whole Schism conflict could be averted if Wolverine were actually in multiple places at one time?

. . . hmm . . .

Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; also someone needs to seriously sit that girl down and explain to her that she is not a murderer.

[shadowpsykie]

ironic no?:D

[long_silence]

I doubt Wolverine being at the museum would have made a difference. The Hellfire Club had weapons to take down Emma, Magneto, Namor, Colossus and Iceman. I have no doubt they would have had something to take down Wolverine as well. The only reason they didn't get Idie was because she ran and hid until the leaders left.

[shadowpsykie]

perhaps, but he is wolverine... sooo...? eh... its moot anyway

[darkblade]

I haven't read the book in question but almost any weapon that would be effective against Magneto would work on Wolverine more so.

[long_silence]

The Hellfire kids had guns that shot tiny little neutron stars that acted like super magnets which messed up Magneto's own magnetic field.

So yeah those would have worked on Wolverine.

[valtyr]

...tiny little neutron stars?

Oh comics.

Meh.

[pervymax]

I big as magnet or a telekinetic who can levitate him an inch of the ground would do it.

Have I mentioned how I *hate* superwolverine, and wist for the days of miller's?

[vitruvian23]

By the time Idie steps up, the new Club members with all the super tech used to take down the big guns have left the scene, and 'all' she has to deal with is the bomb and twelve Hellfire goons with submachineguns that they've left behind. Also, even if the evil kids were still there, they mentioned that they had run out of Badoon brain slugs, and they may not have had specific countermeasures for Idie, although her (or likely Wolverine's) chances would still not have been good against them. But against twelve goons with guns? Yeah, Logan could have taken them out, I'm pretty sure, had he been able to get there in time.

Whether he would have been able to do so while keeping any bullets from hitting the hostages/bystanders is another question. Idie probably would have still had to do at least the bullet melting trick, but she wouldn't have had to kill anybody.

[long_silence]

I meant that Cyclops saying that Wolverine should have been there was kind of unfounded. If he was there it would have been as part of the A-Team Cyclops sent to pose for the cameras at the Museum. And they were all taken out by the new leaders of the Hellfire Club, of course that was only because the A-Team had completely underestimated the kids and didn't expect super weapons (guns that shot stars).

Wolverine tried to get there as fast as he could after the Hellfire Club started attacking. But he only got there after everyone had evacuated the museum and that was like a minute before the bomb went off and turned into a giant octo-Sentinel.

Idie could have run instead of killing the Hellfire goons, but there was a good chance that all of people in the museum would have died and their corpses would have become part of that sentinel bomb.

[starwolf_oakley]

Also someone only saw the one panel that showed Idie saying "Is there anyone else i need to kill" and thought she was now a sociopath.

That was me. I said it seemed Idie had gone "from zero to sociopath" after quoting "Broken Arrow." It does not seem like she's deciding "Maybe murder isn't that big a deal after all."

[shadowpsykie]

Oh hey oakley! Yeah it wasn't just you. A couple of others expressed similar thoughts, didn't mean to single anyone out

[vitruvian23]

"It does not seem like she's deciding "Maybe murder isn't that big a deal after all.""

You're right, it does not seem like that. And it wasn't murder, despite Idie calling it that. But then, she believes she's a monster for being born the way she is, so she really doesn't give herself a break over anything.

[shadowpsykie]

She needs a Gaga-vention * throws claws up, begins playing music* "it doesn't matter if you love him or capital H I M..."

[zenbro]

You're on the right track Idie, you were born this way!

[shadowpsykie]

<0> <3 u lol

[ian_karkull]

Schism has been really surprisingly and consitently good so far. I wonder what other miracles Jason Aaron and his amazing magical beard can perform, getting me to care about X-Men is quite the feat.

[rallamajoop]

I do like how they handled this sequence - it's very effective and believable. But what bugs me is that while all this is going on, we've still got Hope, who grew up on the run in the wastelands leftover after virtually the entire population of a possible future Earth were murdered by someone trying to get to her. Who was raised by Cable - who, granted, does seem to have made a concentrated effort not to raise her to be a killer, but who still practically embodies the 'end justifies the means' mentality. By all logic, Hope should have ended up paranoid as hell and still be suffering massive culture shock now she's finally made it back to somewhere 'peaceful'. And through all this they're still teasing us with the apparently real possibility she's going to go axe crazy and justify everything Bishop was trying to do.

And it's a member of her supporting cast who gets this scene. It just seems like such a waste.

[shadowpsykie]

Actually I think they have been playing down "Hope might go crazy" cuz it seems too obvious. Hope I think is pretty well adjusted all things considered, I think hope would have been equipped to take then out without killing, or been able to kill them if she had to. Idie on the other hand is hope's polar opposite in a way. She was not ready fir this, she was not ready to t take a life let alone a dozen. It e would not have the same tragic impact if Hope did it

[rallamajoop]

Hope I think is pretty well adjusted all things considered

She definitely is, but a lot of what's putting me off her as a character is that I can't buy that she could be that well adjusted, given her background. YMMV on that, of course, but to me it emphasises her role as a plot device who will do and act whatever the writers have decided is convenient, rather than a character who's grown organically out of her own experiences.

It e would not have the same tragic impact if Hope did it

Going to have to disagree with that. The X-Men's shiny new mutant messiah kills a bunch of people? That's got to have tragic impact.

[shadowpsykie]

I think because she had a mother for a while, and cable, and even friends. Her main problem though is she comes off very cold. Well not cold, but she see's the lights as soldiers, but they are not.

Hope killing them would have been kinda shocking, but to me it had more impact coming from Idie because with her it came from someone not " trained"and not prepared for this. From as place of fear and desperation. This is her first blood. Hope would have been cold and calculated

[rallamajoop]

I think because she had a mother for a while, and cable, and even friends.

I assume that's how the writers justify it, but to my mind that actually makes it worse. She had a mother until the age of, what, five? who was gruesomely murdered in front of her eyes (and then her father, who had refused to give her any name but 'little girl' until that moment, decides her dead mother's name will do. That sequence really did not work for me). She had a friend or two for brief periods before she lost them, or saw them gruesomely killed too, and even that was years ago. She aged a couple of years while unconscious in suspended animation, and from then until she returned to the present, it didn't look like she had any contact with anyone but Cable. Added up, I cannot make any sense out of how she could be remotely well-balanced.

but to me it had more impact coming from Idie because with her it came from someone not " trained"and not prepared for this.

I'm actually thinking about the impact on the X-Men themselves more than on the audience. We're a couple of steps diverged from the action, they're counting on Hope to save their entire species.

Mostly, it's the contrast that bugs me - for ages I've wanted to see some consequences of how Hope's fucked-up upbringing should have influenced her as a person. Now we're getting something much like that in her own title, but for a different character.

[shatners_bassoon]

Yeah, but as far as I can see (and I must confess that I have not quite been keeping up with the series), Generation Hope is focusing on the Lights rather than Hope because it's pretty uncertain who or what Hope actully is, in terms of her power and her influence over the Lights; the mystery is a key element of the series. I guess Gillen/x_editorial decided to sacrifice potential those interesting plot beats for Hope as a traumatised warrior/survivor in favour of the larger thread of her as the mutant messiah.

[rallamajoop]

Well, yes, but you've summarised pretty well why I've got so little interest in reading it. After the mystery of who Hope is has been dangled over our heads ever since she was born (which was, what, four or five major events ago?) I'm way past bored with the mystery, ready to have it answered already, and the poor girl given some role beyond being a plot device.

Obviously it's not their job to cater for my expectations alone and I can't speak for everyone else who's not buying the series, but the sales figures would suggest that the strategy they've chosen for the title isn't going down very well.

[shatners_bassoon]

Well that is fair enough, although there seems to be a lot of strong character work going into everybody else featured in the title - but then again Hope is the eponymous character to some extent, it's not unreasonable to want more focus on her.

I'm not sure you can point to low sales figures as a sign that the writing/plotting is off, though. I'm sure that's more a case of it being a book about 5 entirely new characters and one relatively recent semi-character/plot device, neither written or drawn by one of the blockbuster industry names; there's your recipe for failure. Great and interesting books along those lines crash and burn all the time, because there's no big name appeal.

[rallamajoop]

This is true, but unless you feel that Marvel are likely to be happy with the mediocre sales figures it's attracted, then they must have thought they had some sort of hook for the series, and presumably that hook was that they thought they'd created enough interest in Hope and the next generation of X-characters to have an audience for it. To clarify here, a lot of my irritation with it comes from the fact I'm actually one of the people who should have been interested in picking it up. I actually enjoyed Second Coming and was very curious coming out of it about where they were going with Hope as a character, but everything I heard about Generation Hope in the lead up to it's release put me off completely. (And that's not just because of the direction they went with Hope but the fact I find most of her supporting cast pretty dull, but that's a whole other subject.)

Overall, since I don't think this is coming through here, what I've been trying to say from the start isn't "Marvel should be doing this instead", but "It's a shame they're not doing this instead, because I for one would be more interested in reading it".

[hawkmoondirge]

if this launches schism, I have to say...well at first i found it extremely weaksauce but then in review its actually great. Its not a matter of person taste of hate that divides the X-men, its their role that does. Cyclops wants to restore the species and keep them safe. At any cost, Wolverine, while the same, wants to spare the children, and that, among other things, divides them. i doubt the hate will last, and they'll reunite but its interesting to see how the ideological differences will play out

As for this scene, i still see this as the wrong character to use, she was already self loathing, no need to spike that up a few notches. Still, the emotion, and semi acceptance make the scene. AShe, in her mind, believes she's a monster and she then believes that is her role, to fight those worse than her.

[selke]

I'm digging the art and kind of giggling at the head crab looking things. The only thing I don't like is the blue girl on the last scan. Too much of an obvious ass shot.

[meatwhichdreams]

Yeah...it kind of undercuts the tragic poignancy as you scroll down, eh?

"Oh god, Idie...my ass looks fantastic!"

[freezer]

I'd forgotten that she was the one with the serious self-loathing/"Mutants are monsters, therefore I am a monster" thing.

Suddenly Logan losing his shit over her being there makes far more sense.

[ian_karkull]

Hahahaha! Oh my god, one of the little Hellfire dweebs is actually the Baron von Katzenelnbogen!
While that is nowhere near the Bavarian alps, as the book claims, it's a teeny tiny village in the region where I'm from! Also, the name means cat's elbow.
I am oddly pleased by this.

Katzenelnbogen....

[capt_satellite]

.....as in "The Legend of Sleepy Hollow" :) I always loved that name!

These pages are heart-rending, though. Good post.

Re: Katzenelnbogen....

[shadowpsykie]

Yeah, I thought so too

[valismedsen]

and what's the connection to frankenstein, as implies in Schim# 3?
I've read frankenstein but don't remember/could no establish the link... >_

[misterbug]

...REALLY inappropriate time to show off I-don't-care-what-her-name-is-blue-girl's booty.

It's getting ridiculous when even a moment of tragic pathos has to have cheesecake gratuitously wedged in there.

[darkm1993]

I couldn't agree more. Look, i don't mind cheesecake. With certain characters, stories and situations it can work well. But the pointless cheesecake in this situation just threatens to ruin the moment.

[newnumber6]

I just hope they don't decide to make her role in kicking off schism more poignant by, say, having her commit suicide because of it, because Idie was literally the only one in Generation Hope's initial cast that almost made me want to continue reading the book. (Shinji might have been another, but I gave up on it while he was still in supervillain mode).

[crabby_lioness]

Best depiction of PTSD I've seen since the carnie in Girl Genius.

[blackruzsa]

Holy shit.
Even more that Kenji is trying to comfort/help her, because... well, it's Kenji.

Idie..... We really need to get someone to teach her self-love.

[starwolf_oakley]

Can't any of the newer X-Men just say "Yes, my powers can be very dangerous, but that doesn't mean I'm a monster."?

[thehood]

There have been mutants like that though.

[thehood]

Having Cyclops and Wolverine Screaming in her head sure didn't help matters.