LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES #2

[superfangirl1]

Comments

[jaybee3]

I'm sorry - either Levitz is still doing a fake out with Shady or its still poor writing vis-a-vis her "relationship" with Earth Man (wasn't he the guy who TORTURED her teammates including Sun Boy and put her beloved Mon-El back into the Phantom Zone and never showed the slightest regret over any of his action). I remember MANY people at the time saying how her interest in him came out of nowhere and many were saying she had an ulterior motive. Love, caring, whatever - that was something Levitz never showed us. So this grief seems false.

[kd_the_movie]

Forreal. If I were Polar Boy and Sun Boy Id be like "FUCK THIS GUY!!!" and proceed to piss on his grave (and then set it ablaze).

[cleome45]

It was about the least convincing "romance" I've ever read in a comic. Maybe if we'd had a build-up that lasted more than 2.5 panels, I could've bought it, but... no.

Still doesn't excuse some of the horrible shit I read from other fans about Shady, though. There were a couple of times when I was about ready to light my monitor on fire and throw it out the window. Gah.

[jaybee3]

I agree with you about the bad reader reaction, Levitz did nothing to help though. She broke up with Mon-El off-panel and then within the next issue was making overtures to Earth Man (who was rightly despised by the rest of the Legion for torturing teammates and putting Mon-El back into the PZ and still being an unapologetic ass about it) and an issue after that she was sleeping with him. Considering it was Earth Man we're talking about and considering what he did to Mon-El it was natural for readers to assume Shady had an ulterior motive for associating with him and it was building up to a bigger story. Which it turns out - it didn't.

But if her "grief" at his passing (something no other Legionnaire should share IMO) is any example we were supposed to take that supposed relationship seriously.Which I can't. In any way. Not Shady's fault, but Levitz's (though I still think he loathed being handed Earth Man - he gave him little character development outside of being a jerk and then killed him off).

[kd_the_movie]

Was he handed Earth Man though? I was always under the impression Levitz CHOSE to include Earth Man in the cast(which was a big part of my frustration) . LO3W left a pretty open ending for most of the the villains so I just assumed that Levitz saw potential in Earth Man and decided to bring him over.

[cleome45]

Yeah.

Thing is: EM's whole origin stems from him being initially a rejected Legion applicant. So his whole conflict/turnaround thing could have been a good story. If it had been handled well.

Just like Shady breaking up with Mon-El and becoming a different sort of person could have been a good story... but wasn't. Because it was too off-handed and rushed to make even a modicum of sense.

[grumble]

[arxh]

So I gather from all of this that Legion wasnt rebooted like the other DCNU titles but more sorta wedged into it, kinda like green lantern then? Why Booster didn't get this treatment is beyond me...

[kamino_neko]

'The other DCnU titles' weren't rebooted.

Different books got different amounts of retcon in the relaunch.

20 books, including the Bat books, Lantern books, and Legion books, got only minor retcons. (Bat books, the only major change so far is Selina and Bruce not knowing each other's identities. Barbara being back to being Batgirl and Dick back are Nightwing are both in-story changes.)

Another 10 either are unclear how much is retconned, or had no pre-relaunch equivalents.

So, of 52 books, only 22 are actually, clearly, completely new continuities, 3 of which are former Wildstorm books, and another 3 of which are Super-books. (Of the four Limited Series started so far, it's 2 with no noticeable change (Penguin and Shade), 1 that's 2/3 characters unchanged (My Greatest Adventure), one with a major retcon, and 1 that isn't entirely clear (Huntress).)

[shadowpsykie]

oh your ICON :D

[pyrotwilight]

Earth-Man died? D:
I liked that jackass.

I like Glorith as well. Wonder why her home planet's unknown though.

[big_daddy_d]

She does look a bit like the mystery woman in Flashpoint and all the first issues..

[pyrotwilight]

Hmmm, I think it's more of a coincidence if anything since it's really just the cloak that makes the similarity. But that'd be neat if awkward.

[big_daddy_d]

Not just the cloak but the markings. Plus of all 52 books, you don't see the mystery woman hiding anyway. Unless I'm wrong on that, but yea, makes you wonder.

[kamino_neko]

Sacrificed himself to defeat the entity commanding Saturn Queen and her LSV.

It was a pretty badass moment.

And Glorith is from Sorcerer's World, which is outside of normal space, so it kind of, sort of, doesn't exist.

[jaybee3]

Still doesn't make up for all the stuff (like TORTURE) he did in the past to the Legion and he never apologized for. I get the feeling Levitz was looking for a way to get rid of him (since he was a character inherited from Johns' story).

[pyrotwilight]

Ooh, When did that go down? (His death/ stopping the being)

[kamino_neko]

LSH 16, last issue before the relaunch.

[big_daddy_d]

So anyone else initially thought the girl in the first panel was bare ass until realizing she's wearing pants?

[kamino_neko]

I've had that issue with her outfit all along. They really need to come up with a new colour scheme for her...

[cleome45]

Not really, but it still sucks how many artists can't draw freaking drapery on a human figure. If they're going to give Harmonia civs, they should look and drape like civs. If they don't want to draw drapery, they should just put her in a nice superhero union suit and be done with it. [sigh]

[silverzeo]

Wait, Earth-Jerk died?

[squirle]

Why is Ferro-Lad's gravestone a giant condom?

[randyripoff]

I think it's meant to be something more like a bullet. But yeah, it looks like a condom.

[eyz]

Shadow Lass' wearing even less clothes or is it only me? (or just seeing there in that position from the side...)

[cleome45]

Hey. Never let mourning get in the way of a gratuitous boob shot, I always say. [rolleyes]

[meowshi]

Ah, so they aren't even attempting to get new readers to read this? Excellent, I don't even have to bother!

[cleome45]

What would you want to see, exactly? Seriously, I'm curious. Even long-time fans on the Legion boards are always talking about how hard the book is to approach if you've never read it.

Personally, I started long before there was an internets to help me along, and I still don't see it. The Bat-Family, the Flash Family, the GLs, the Justice League... all also have complex and often convoluted histories. While none of them have ever really held my attention, they seem to have no trouble getting other fans. So what's the trouble here?

[kenn_el]

TONS of history, several reboots, taking place in the future while heavily reliant on the present for starters. It's like the X-Men.

[meowshi]

Maybe it's the sheer number of characters? And the fact that it takes place in a different time period than every other book? It also feels like one of the books that wasn't rebooted in anyway, and is simply another "relaunch". I don't know.

I never read DC before the reboot, but I had no trouble getting into any of the Bat-Family or Latern books.

[hero_of_lallor]

Legion's fine. You just need to find your way in. Like the X Men perhaps getting attached to a core team will help. Have you tried the Legion cartoon series to begin with?

[cleome45]

[shrug] I like the sheer number of characters, and the self-containment (ideally) that comes from it being set in the future.

On one hand people don't want the reboots if they're going to jump in, and yet they don't want the book to stay the same if they're going to jump in. (And I'm not saying this to pick on you or kenn_el, above, BTW. Even long-time fans of the book have been having this argument for a dog's years.) Myself, I think the real problem is that DC's pool of fans is too small. They could solve a lot of problems by getting this book (and others) out where non-traditional/casual readers could see it.

But I doubt that will ever happen. I don't think these people know their rear ends from a hole in the ground when it comes to marketing.

[chrysicat]

Actually, I think there's a big issue that we're not seeing when people say "well, just put the books on newsstands and in grocery stores again"...namely, if you do that, the same moral guardians who got the Comics Code put in place in the first place will demand that you go back to conforming to it. Never forget why comics went behind the shop door in the first place...

[cleome45]

I'm not talking about newsstands. I'm not even sure how many are left. There are other venues, assuming that being roped to a monopoly like Diamond would allow the publishers to access those venues.

Besides, comics in comic books shops has never stopped moral crusaders from carrying on about how they're Corrupting the Youth, etc. Certainly not in my lifetime.