Batgirl #4

[aeka]

Batgirl has an interesting chat with....Oracle?

Comments

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[jeyl]

Hey listen, if you're happy with Barbara not understanding the simple notion that not everyone in the whole world can have everything that you have, knock yourself out. This is not a miracle. This was a trip to the doctors. It's their job to make things better, and not everyone world can go see a doctor. Yes, it sucks, but there are things you can do to help. I don't see Barbara helping those who are still using wheelchairs by trying to pursue the knowledge of fixing paralysis like that doctor did. She's feeling guilty over something she's not doing anything about.

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[aeka]

Hey listen, if you're happy with Barbara not understanding the simple notion that not everyone in the whole world can have everything that you have, knock yourself out.

Thank you for completely missing the point of my previous comments. As I recall, I was commenting on the exact opposite, which was Barbara's conflicted feelings over the matter. Not expressing how 'happy I am with Barbara not understanding the "simple" notion of not everyone being able to have what she has."

This is not a miracle. This was a trip to the doctors. It's their job to make things better, and not everyone world can go see a doctor.

Are you seriously implying that doctors can't make mistakes, or that there aren't any risks involved in trying to surgically correct a spinal injury? It's not that simple, and even less so where a spinal injury is involved. If it's an experimental surgical procedure, then the patient runs the risk of reacting poorly to the treatment and other things can go wrong. The fact that they didn't fuck up Barbara's spine anymore than it already was is by itself a *miracle* since she ran the risk of coming out much worse than already was.

As swatkat already said down below, don't try to rationalise something as complicated as what a person goes through after they've experienced trauma, and don't especially imply that doctors can make no mistakes because 'it's their job to make things better.' More often than not, things can and do go wrong, and where an operating table is involved, there's always the high risk of the patient not surviving or creating another complication they didn't have before. To say or imply otherwise is--in and of itself--fucking insulting.

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[jeyl]

"Are you seriously implying that doctors can't make mistakes, or that there aren't any risks involved in trying to surgically correct a spinal injury? It's not that simple, and even less so where a spinal injury is involved."

Of course doctors can make mistakes. They're only human. But when it comes to doing a procedure where if it does what the doctors say it was going to do is regarded as a miracle, it sounds more like you're putting your own life on the line for something that doesn't sound plausible. So from your point of view, Barbara risked her own life to be able to walk again. But that's not the issue we're dealing with here. We're dealing with the simple fact on whether she deserved to be able to walk again at all, not that she put her life on the line to get it.

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[aeka]

My original argument was precisely on Barbara's conflicting feelings. My comment in response to your "Barbara's recovery is not a miracle because it's the work of a doctor" was your comment rubbing me the wrong way. Doctors aren't miracle workers, on that much I can agree. But the fact that you brush off Barbara's recovery because "it's a doctor's job to make things better" while seemingly ignoring the risks involved is what I had a problem with.

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[jeyl]

Risks that this comic doesn't think it's worth mentioning. I'm not going to give the comic credit for stuff that it didn't include. How am I supposed to know that this operation was a risky endeavor? This is a super hero comic book where characters are brought back to life on a near weekly basis.