generation hope #16 preview

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Two more can be found at the source.

Comments

[nyadnar17]

I really like this story and conflict. I enjoy watching my heroes dealing with issues that aren't clear black and white sometimes.

I just have one question. Have any of the lights asked any of the X-men for help? It really seems like none of the adults on Utopia have any clue something is wrong or that the lights are unsatisfied.

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Have any of the lights asked any of the X-men for help?

not that i know of, but i wouldn't bother either if i were them. i think kitty warned scott of what was going on with hope and the lights at one point, but i don't have any of the earlier gen hope issues with me. last issue (gen hope #15) scott saw hope controlling kenji's body completely in a show of force, and so far, nada. no intervention.

i think kenji seems to have gotten the memo that the x-men don't care much as long as hope is happy.

[shadowpsykie]

i think the x-men have been monitoring the situation incase things get out of hand... that whole controlling kenji thing against his will mightbe one of them...

[northstarfan]

Though, considering their track record with the X-Kids before the messy divorce, the X-Men just not bothering to give a damn seems just as likely.

[sinisterlink]

Yep. One of the main reasons I'm team Wolverine instead of team Cyclops. Scott can't even bother to remember the names of the kids that have died under his watch, so the farther they are away from him, the happier I am.

[long_silence]

Well they got Idie out of there at least. But that's because Wolverine didn't like Cyclops' influence on her than Hope's creepy mind control.

[biod]

"TETSUOOOOO!!!!"
"KANDEDAAAA!!!!"
. . .
Sorry, force of habbit.

[crabby_lioness]

The young man's got a very good point.

[terrykun]

I'm fully with Kenji here. The more I see Hope in her own book, the more I'm convinced that she's the villain. Her motivations, oh-so-tragic-action-backstory aside, are generally self-centered and imperious.

"You're asking me to do this even knowing I can't say no to you!" - Laurie

[shobogan]

I kind of like that about her? Not only is she a kid, she's a kid with little to no experience in extended human interaction outside of war zones.

On top of that, she's been told she's a messiah. Defined as that her entire life. That would fuck with anyone's sense of self-importance, particularly a teenager's.

Before Generation, Hope wanted to take some time to navigate her loss and trauma and figure out who she really is underneath it all. But then she found Laurie, and she never got a chance.

Hope is a crappy leader, caught up in her own guilt and loneliness and confusion, doing the worst things for the right reasons. And the book knows it. What we're leading up to, I think, is Hope learning that she can't use these kids as toy soldiers, that she's not ready to be an unquestioned messiah, that she needs help in every possible way.

[spacebetween]

Plus here adopted father was Cable, and she was being chased through time by someone wanting to kill her.

Regardless, Cyclops should never have made her a leader of a team. He should have assigned a proven team leader like Storm to the squad. That way Hope and the Lights can also get some guidance and help to deal them with everything that has happened to them. But no just because she is the supposed Mutant Messiah she automatically ready for everything.

[shobogan]

Cyclops making bad decisions about teenagers doesn't really astound me, but yeah.

[greenmask]

Mm, this.

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she's a kid with little to no experience in extended human interaction outside of war zones.

excuse only for when she's being an insufferable brat, isn't it?

http://rallamajoop.livejournal.com/107243.html#cutid1

scroll down to hope summers, and these are my feelings, exactly.

[shobogan]

...Yeah, they lost me when they started flinging 'Mary Sue' around.

[brooms]

... where is that? i'm re-reading that section right now, and i don't see ANY use of the term mary sue?

wat.

[brooms]

wait, are you talking about this -

and when your heroine is already drawing accusations of Mary Sue-ism?

it's the ONLY time the writer uses it, to acknowledge something that DOES happen, because hope DOES draw these accusations from fandom. then rallamajop goes on to discuss PTSD and how hope's characterization in the comics does NOT match it so far.

seriously, wat.

[sinisterlink]

The other page in the preview just makes me want to smack Hope. She's all like, "Is it true that Shaw tried to kill my dad?" Yes Hope, he tried to kill Cable. As well as trying to kill every other freaking X-Men he has run into in the past, multiple times. Which you should know, beccause you are sitting there READING HIS FILE.

On a side note, I haven't been able to get the last few Generation Hope issues, but uh, does Namor know that Shaw is alive? And on Utopia? Because the whole point of Shaw being mindwiped and dumped off somewhere was because Namor wanted revenge on Shaw and Emma made Namor think that she killed Shaw and this is the whole reason that Namor is even bothering to help mutants with anything. So I'm thinking he will be massively ticked to learn that Shaw is alive and that Emma lied to him and influenced his mind into thinking she's kept up her part of the deal.

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On a side note, I haven't been able to get the last few Generation Hope issues, but uh, does Namor know that Shaw is alive?

he does not, he wasn't present when the lights took him to utopia. i don't think anyone has mentioned this to him yet. the funny thing is that he's been teaming up closely with hope in the extinction team, too.

[sinisterlink]

Gonna be fun when he finds out.

[spacebetween]

It will be interesting to see if he finds out before or during Avengers vs X-Men.

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during, i think -

http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/3407306.html

[big_daddy_d]

With Gen. hope coming to an end, I really hope to see more of Laurie.