Red hood and Outlaws # 14
Nov. 21st, 2012 03:12 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
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scans_dailySuperman just wants to have a chat with Starfire, but things are never really that simple in comics, are they?
Isabel tells everybody to chill and just talk instead of keep on fighting.
Joker's diabolical plans for Jason is framing him with looking like he overdose Isabel with drugs. Which of course is taunting Jason about the circumstances concerning his own mother's death.
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Date: 2012-11-22 05:42 am (UTC)also... I really hope Jason and Barbara give Joker SUCH a beat down...
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Date: 2012-11-22 07:03 am (UTC)i should watch that movie...
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Date: 2012-11-22 04:41 pm (UTC)The beat down at the end was cool, buying general the film was the first hint to me that Tarantino was getting a bit up his own ass. The first half was plodding and incredibly boring, I don't care if it was a deliberate reflection of the kind of crap that was in the movies Tarantino was homaging, it was still unforgivably boring. And while they were cool, they send batch of would be victims was incredibly unlikable. Taking that car out to play a dangerous and irresponsible game with no intention of buying, and then leaving the friend with the rapist from Kill Bill and implying to him that she'll have sex with him. I was just not inboard at all.
Did not enjoy it.
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Date: 2012-11-22 06:05 am (UTC)"I'm going to go out on a limb and predict: it does you no good whatsoever." Since when does Superman talk like that, he's supposed to be a nice guy. Also, if Red Hood and his gang did rank up a "multitude of crimes" like Superman says they did. He would take them down and make sure they go to court to pay for them, not look the other direction. I mean Jason and his gang have killed people in the past, sure they were bad people but they still killed them. Since when is Superman okay with killing?
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Date: 2012-11-22 06:32 am (UTC)As for his prediction, I don't think that's all that new, just something that wasn't done often in modern times because they pretty much watered Superman down after a while. This is no different from him play acting getting hurt when some crook threw his gun at Superman after unloading on him back in the 50s show.
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Date: 2012-11-22 11:55 am (UTC)Superman Vs. the Myth of Aristocracy
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Date: 2012-11-22 01:08 pm (UTC)Also, that essay about Superman was interesting indeed. It's the way that I see Superman and how he should act. It also gave me more appreciation for Byrne's vision of Krypton. My only complaint--as stated in the comments if this essay--is that it seems to imply that the only good Kryptonians are those whom are related to Superman (e.g. Supergirl, Jor-El, and Zor-El). It actually makes me wish that we can have Kryptonians whom are good, but are not related to Superman in any way. So New 52: bring back Christopher Kent (or Lor-Zod) and Van-Zee!!!
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Date: 2012-11-23 02:24 am (UTC)The essay on that site about Batman is interesting too, though I'm not sure I agree with it quite as much. I don't necessarily think it's wrong, but it's a pretty pessimistic view of Batman, not really the sort of interpretation that you can easily apply to a sympathetic main character. I did find the point about the link between Batman and myths like King Arthur interesting though.
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Date: 2012-11-25 07:17 pm (UTC)"This demonstrates why Superman is a uniquely American hero. He's an immigrant who personifies the idea that America is about new beginnings and new opportunities. A place where you're not defined by your past."
Superman is by the thinnest description 'an immigrant' - he came here as a baby. He's essentially 100% earth raised, his biological parents almost equalling up to surrogates. Which is why I find the characterisation of him being an 'outsider' really weird sometimes.
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Date: 2012-11-22 06:12 am (UTC)Unless, you know, that's foreshadowing for next month or whatever.
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Date: 2012-11-22 08:12 am (UTC)And is it just me, or does Jason look like he's starting to transform into a werewolf on that last page?
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Date: 2012-11-23 12:47 am (UTC)No, that was my reaction too. But then my mind wandered to whether he was wearing a towel in that scene, and if there were any saucy semi-nude scenes elsewhere in the book.
Hey, they need to throw me a *little* something if I am to retain any interest in this series.
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Date: 2012-11-22 08:17 am (UTC)Weirdly, I have more of a problem with Superman using his HEAT vision as a force blast. It wouldn't "Knock them on their asses", it would incinerate them
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Date: 2012-11-22 09:43 am (UTC)No weirder than the same way a lot of people (myself included) nitpick about Cyclops' optic blasts having a thermal effect.
Maybe he just heats the air in front of them and subsequent pressure differential knocks them off their feet.
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Date: 2012-11-22 10:30 am (UTC)Heat vision is much, much more specific, and any time it's been used that I can recall, and that's over a good few decades now, it's shown as beams of red energy (or even invisible energy) which cause things to combust/melt, but are not forced away from him as a side effect.
This looks desperately like a writer waffling a little to fix a problem that an artist not understanding what a power is supposed to be able to do, caused, and frankly if you're not aware of how SUPERMAN'S powers work, what are you even doing in the genre? they're not exactly complicated.
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Date: 2012-11-23 10:48 pm (UTC)Unless that shiny stuff under them is water and he forced it to the surface with steam pressure. Or something. Hard to tell with this art.
And I don't mind Superman being dismissive, but if he's not going to try to tactfully talk them into surrendering, I think it'd be more in character for him to just speed-disarm them at this point. That said, I have no idea what anyone else expected to accomplish in this fight either.
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Date: 2012-11-25 12:31 pm (UTC)When it becomes regular, it *is* inflammatory. Because it's basically the equivalent of writing "I don't care about this. So I'll keep leaving annoying one-word comments until you stop posting it." Which is really quite rude in an interpersonal sense.
But as it happens, I don't think sun_man is the same person who does this habitually. I still think 'meh' is a stupid comment in general though, so if someone leaves it on any of my posts I'll let them know that. In a non-problematic or inflammatory way of course.
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Date: 2012-11-23 02:34 am (UTC)Superman doesn't come off great here, but I do always like when he's shown as the heavy that he should be. I hate seeing the Worf Effect come into play to establish how cool and badass a character is supposed to be "They beat up lame old Superman, buy our book! It's so XTREME!"
And yeah, that last page is a hot mess. Just terrible. The TV is on the same level as the floor and not even at the same angle as the wall, and all of the cops seem to be doing completely unrelated things.
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Date: 2012-11-25 05:58 am (UTC)Also, even if I could the instinctual cringe whenever this series's name pops up, it still doesn't interest me enough to think about buying it.
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