Superman versus Wonder Woman : The Sacrifice Part 4 of 4

[lucky_gamble]

Over a storyline spanning several issues, it's revealed that Maxwell Lord has been taking over Superman's mind (it took him several years to achieve that). The result has made Superman highly suggestive, which ends with Clark taking out the whole Justice League sans-Wonder Woman. The actual story isn't that great but the climax is rather amazing. The following pages only show half of the WWvsSupes fight.





















We all know what Wonder Woman did next. Damn page limits =(

Comments

[aravis]

"What's So Funny..." Doesn't use the most extreme version of characters who kill; it just shows where that would, logically, end. Some people who reviewed the animated movie said they thought it odd how The Elite turned into villains during the last 15 minutes. That's pretty baffling...

""And hell, the Joker. Who the legal system simply can't handle."

...in Comic Book land. because, THAT IS NOT HOW AN INSANITY PLEA WORKS! (About just about every single time that's happened)

[mrstatham]

What's So Funny used a completely ridiculous and overblown version of the Authority to try and prove a point about Superman. It doesn't explore the concept and where it would end properly because the writer wasn't willing to use the Authority-style characters properly in any sense that would make them look better than Superman, and instead just ran with the idea that they were murder-happy assholes who answered to no-one. That stands in direct contrast with the Authority themselves, who worked alongside the remnants of their own group, and actually had enough character that it wasn't just about killing people or being cool, but actively making the world a better place. And arguably, they did. That wasn't what those characters in 'What's So Funny' were.

[lucky_gamble]

+1

So much this.

[aravis]

The Elite aren't Authority proxies. The inspiration was purely the aspect of Superheroes having no problem with killing. You say that the Authority worked alongside the remnants of their old groups, which I have no idea what you mean by, having read, like, 3 pages of the Authority (no, reading the Authority changes *nothing* about "What's...").

And the Elite, especially in the animated version WERE about making the world better. It just took showed what it meant; if you think you are above it all and want to make the world better, you are destined to become the British Empire or the US. Superhero Man's Burden, essentially. How does the Authority subvert this? Are they working with the proper authorities? If so, they aren't an example of Superheroes taking it all into their own hands. If not, how does the world reconcile the fact they kill, with no regard for proper justice? Kingdom Come-style, where the public cheer the Punisher-style "heroes"?

[mrstatham]

No, the Elite *are* Authority proxies. Manchester Black corresponds to Jenny Sparks, Menagerie corresponds to Swift, and so on. The power-sets get switched around a touch between characters, but the Elite ARE Authority pastiches. Even the name - The Elite - takes a jab at the Authority's implied status through their name.

[aravis]

Without any proxies for Apollo and Midnighter. But, you missed my main point. It's not relevant whether the Elite corresponds person for person. It was the *concept* of superheroes that kill that "What's..." was a response to; inspired by the Authority. Whether the Elite members had proxies or not is, as I said, irrelevant. And you answered none of my questions...

[theflames]

Yes in comic book lands, that's apparently how the insanity plea works.

Unfortunately, we can't pick and choose what makes the comic book universe tick. The legal system simple can't handle the Joker, and neither can Batman.

And yes, that did show the most exaggerated versions of Superheroes who kill. Becoming immediate villains.

It's near disgusting actually, because thousand upon thousand soldiers in the real world, kill and don't let it consume them, of course, it changes them, but they don't use it as an answer for every situation.

Policeman who have to kill criminals on the job are the same, some fall into a dark spiral, but others don't they persevere and only kill when the situation calls for it.

I bet if Superman ran into a batch of heroes who have killed before but don't seem to be actively killing everything that confronts like... the X-men, he'd be baffled when it comes to debating with them, since he couldn't use the extreme actions against them like he did with the Ax-crazy Elite.

That story was just so convenient.