Batwoman #17
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scans_dailyI was sort of surprised that this scene hadn't been posted to SD yet. (Or if it was, I missed it even though I looked twice.)
But I guess this isn't a particularly popular of a couple. I personally prefer Kate/Renee and Maggie/Toby.
The art is definitely very pretty.
I had previously stopped reading this title, until I found out about this scene from TheMarySue. Their Susana Polo had this to say:
"But it all does leave me wondering why Kate Kane proposing marriage to her girlfriend hasn’t been front page news at DC Comics this week. After all, we live in an age when comic companies show absolutely no hesitance to spoil major plot events like deaths and marriages the day before the book is released to an outlet like USA Today.
"Certainly there’s a definite possibility that wedding bells won’t be ringing any time soon. Even aside from the fact that the (sometimes awfully tired) genre conventions of superhero stories mean that significant others often don’t fare very well, we didn’t get to see Maggie’s response to Kate’s question this issue. [...]
"But we’ve seen DC make a big deal out of a gay relationship that was doomed in its second issue before with Alan Scott, the gay Green Lantern of Earth 2. While they didn’t quite manage to get him on The View, they seemed very proud of making one of the New 52′s six Green Lanterns of Earth (the one in the alternate universe) a gay man in a committed relationship. In the second issue of Earth 2, however, Alan Scott’s boyfriend was killed mere moments before the arrival of his Green Lantern ring, leaving him single and traumatized.
"It would even have been nice for DC to use this Batwoman issue to say something like: “Hey we know we hired Orson Scott Card to write a Superman story, but we’re committed to the characters that are actually improving the diversity of our lineup. Exhibit A: Batwoman #17.” It wouldn’t absolve them from the questionable decision, certainly, but it would be better than their only other response so far, a single sentence of boiler plate about artists personal views not representing the company’s. [...]
"DC has been hands off about Batwoman for pretty much the title’s entire existence. [...] DC could go a long way with promoting Batwoman’s proposal and, if it happens, marriage. So if they haven’t yet, let me: Maggie Sawyer, who transferred to the Gotham police force after being a prominent recurring character in Superman stories, was one of the first out gay characters in the DC universe in the late eighties. Batwoman is the first gay member of the Bat-family and the first lesbian superhero to headline her own title in history. Their relationship embodies the fact that while DC might not have a perfect track record on these matters, minority characters have been an important part of its universe for decades, and they will be for decades to come."
Thoughts?
But I guess this isn't a particularly popular of a couple. I personally prefer Kate/Renee and Maggie/Toby.
The art is definitely very pretty.
I had previously stopped reading this title, until I found out about this scene from TheMarySue. Their Susana Polo had this to say:
"But it all does leave me wondering why Kate Kane proposing marriage to her girlfriend hasn’t been front page news at DC Comics this week. After all, we live in an age when comic companies show absolutely no hesitance to spoil major plot events like deaths and marriages the day before the book is released to an outlet like USA Today.
"Certainly there’s a definite possibility that wedding bells won’t be ringing any time soon. Even aside from the fact that the (sometimes awfully tired) genre conventions of superhero stories mean that significant others often don’t fare very well, we didn’t get to see Maggie’s response to Kate’s question this issue. [...]
"But we’ve seen DC make a big deal out of a gay relationship that was doomed in its second issue before with Alan Scott, the gay Green Lantern of Earth 2. While they didn’t quite manage to get him on The View, they seemed very proud of making one of the New 52′s six Green Lanterns of Earth (the one in the alternate universe) a gay man in a committed relationship. In the second issue of Earth 2, however, Alan Scott’s boyfriend was killed mere moments before the arrival of his Green Lantern ring, leaving him single and traumatized.
"It would even have been nice for DC to use this Batwoman issue to say something like: “Hey we know we hired Orson Scott Card to write a Superman story, but we’re committed to the characters that are actually improving the diversity of our lineup. Exhibit A: Batwoman #17.” It wouldn’t absolve them from the questionable decision, certainly, but it would be better than their only other response so far, a single sentence of boiler plate about artists personal views not representing the company’s. [...]
"DC has been hands off about Batwoman for pretty much the title’s entire existence. [...] DC could go a long way with promoting Batwoman’s proposal and, if it happens, marriage. So if they haven’t yet, let me: Maggie Sawyer, who transferred to the Gotham police force after being a prominent recurring character in Superman stories, was one of the first out gay characters in the DC universe in the late eighties. Batwoman is the first gay member of the Bat-family and the first lesbian superhero to headline her own title in history. Their relationship embodies the fact that while DC might not have a perfect track record on these matters, minority characters have been an important part of its universe for decades, and they will be for decades to come."
Thoughts?
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Date: 2013-02-21 10:17 pm (UTC)There's still the annoying "There are only four lesbians in the entire DCnU, and they all know each other." The worst part? I can't remember the fourth one after Rene Montoya.
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Date: 2013-02-21 11:02 pm (UTC)SUPERGIRL-ON-GIRL, coming this fall on FX.
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Date: 2013-02-21 11:25 pm (UTC)I don't need a press-release from DC over-hyping their same-sex marriage, thanks.
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Date: 2013-02-21 11:35 pm (UTC)But the writer needs to keep track of things. Alan's ring doesn't work like the others, and his ring was created out of either his engagment/wedding ring
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Date: 2013-02-22 12:37 am (UTC)Really? I am seriously baffled by the amount of venom this decision has drummed up. Yes, Orson Scott Card is a known bigot, and he certainly wouldn't approve of my "lifestyle choices" by any means. But, let's face the facts. The man wrote what is almost inarguably one of the greatest sci-fi/fantasy series of all time. It's rivaled only by things like Lord of the Rings and Foundation. If an author of his caliber and acclaim (critically and popularly), regardless of personal politics, asks to write a story for your company, you say yes. And it's not like his Mormon agenda even works its way into his writing. I've read the Ender series, as well as his short story collection "Maps in a Mirror", and actually I find I experience a degree of cognitive dissonance, because he's clearly brilliant. He has extremely empathic insight into the human condition, and I don't understand how that reconciles with his religious beliefs. But, I feel we ought to judge art by the quality of the art, rather than the artist.
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Date: 2013-02-22 07:29 am (UTC)Also, where did it pop up that OSC approached DC instead of the other way around?
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Date: 2013-02-22 04:45 pm (UTC)They say they're progressive and forward thinking, but then hire a dude like Card, and those two things just don't match up.
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Date: 2013-02-22 05:57 pm (UTC)It's like, I find chick-fil-a sandwiches delicious, but I can't divorce the product from the producers, knowing what they do with a portion of their profits. But at the same time, I don't judge anyone for eating chick-fil-a, because what products we consume are dependent on a number of variables (availability of alternatives, resources, awareness, attachment, level of importance, to name but a few).
I will judge OSC just like I judge Chick-fil-a. What people don't understand is that "calling for a boycott" is not the same as "calling for a government ban". It's a call to arms for like-minded people to demonstrate their net buying power. If it's not important to someone to use that method to make that statement for that situation, then it isn't. But for some of us, it is.
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Date: 2013-02-22 02:08 am (UTC)Then again, Renee isn't even the The Question in this universe anymore, is she?
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Date: 2013-02-22 03:34 am (UTC)I miss Renee!
*cries*
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Date: 2013-02-22 04:03 am (UTC)Besides, even if they were seriously dating--and I kinda doubt it--they haven't seen each other since, like, the third or forth issue.
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Date: 2013-02-22 04:21 pm (UTC)It's all gorgeous, especially the final panel but that third panel with Batwoman walking toward Maggie? That's being a Bat in Gothm all over!
Sorry, Edna (?), but capes ARE good for superheroes, especially Bats! :)
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