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proteus_lives mentioned this in a comment on the last Cap moment, so I thought I'd drop it in here real quick....



It comes from "Amazing Spider-Man" #330, part 11 of the 14 part Maximum Carnage mega-epic. Carnage's family has been wreaking much havoc and his "wife" Shriek has pushed the entire city to madness! Much looting and general violence ensues as a group of Marvel heroes team up to try and restore order. Most of them resort to fighting back, but Cap has a different method...



C'mon, how awesome is that?

As an added bonus, Cap's arrival to the battlefield in "Spectacular Spider-Man" #202, a moment that's always kinda stuck with me as one of Cap's best "hero shots". Spidey just got his webbed ass handed to him by Carnage and Shriek, who then took off with the severely weakened Venom, when...




No, not even then.

Date: 2009-06-10 09:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nefrekeptah.insanejournal.com
The problem with that example is that yes, yes it DID lessen the impact. And yes, bringing him back WAS as half-assed, handwaved retcon. Spock's death is still just as dramatic in Kahn, but the fact that he comes back in the next movie really takes the edge off it.

And yes, lots changed. The Marvel U. has always been a dark place, and it's really gotten only a little darker. And Dark Reign was the result of the people getting mad at the Government; they threw out the people that had either helped cause or failed to stop the invasion, and elected the people who had helped stop it, not knowing, or not caring, that they're psychopaths.

Were we watching the same movies?

Date: 2009-06-10 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] politicalzombie.insanejournal.com
It didn't for me, Spock did die, horribly, and he did it to save his friends.

When he came back, Spock wasn't quite the same, there are parts of him that are never going to come back...and the HURT is still there. There were things that Spock wasn't there for, when he was dead.

It's like this, when a wound stops bleeding, it didn't mean the injury never happened. When the writers write it as if it Never Happen, then it sucks.

The biggest impact that Steve's death has, is definitely on Tony...I think it will change Tony if Steve comes back, and if Marvel have the guts, I'll like to see them to do the wedding, minus the sex change!

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