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Date: 2014-04-16 06:29 pm (UTC)I mean, heaven forbid that Spider-Man be capable of processing an emotion other than baseless guilt.
I'm trying to wait to see where Slott goes with this, but ooh boy is it get hard to hold onto any optimism.
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Date: 2014-04-16 06:32 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-04-16 07:09 pm (UTC)It annoys me because it's not even stuff Peter's actually responsible for, yeah Ock sacrificed himself, but it was his own decision and it wasn't Ock's life in the first place, it was Peter's. And now it's treated like another big source of guilt for him, and there's nothing new there. Spidey feeling guilty about stuff is old hat, it's not original or exciting.
I just don't think it's very fulfilling from the perspective of someone who's been anticipating Peter coming back.
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Date: 2014-04-16 08:24 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-04-16 08:55 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-04-16 09:46 pm (UTC)He feels bad because of how this affects Anna and yes, he's sad that Otto had to die. Because Peter cares about people, that's who he is. It's not a "caricature", it's how he just is.
And wasn't that why people wanted him back? Because he's a selfless hero instead of a jerk.
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Date: 2014-04-16 10:12 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-04-16 11:16 pm (UTC)So I think there's a difference between a character being selfless and a character not having any depth beyond that selflessness. What we have here doesn't feel like a human reaction to me; it paints Peter as some sort of self-flagellating saint instead of the decent everyman that he's supposed to be.
I guess I'd just like his attitude to be a bit more;
"It sucks that Ock had to leave behind Anna and she'll be sad, so I'll be nice to her, and it's good that he actually helped some people at the end. On the other hand he stole my life and messed it up before bowing out as soon as things got rough, so fuck that dude."
If Peter's going to be sad about Ock being dead I'd like there to be some inner conflict as he tries to reconcile that with anger over what Ock did to him. My issue is that we're not seeing any anger, and it doesn't work for me. Spidey's been through an ordeal, and for him to come out the other side and not be angry or resentful toward the person who put him through it about it doesn't work for me.
Then again, it's obvious at this point that I just plain don't like this story and am probably impossible to please.
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Date: 2014-04-18 05:02 am (UTC)How the HELL does he explain this to her? He certainly can't pretend to be the Peter she loves. Even if he wanted to. And he remembers NO details or even any history with her.
Oh, and I guess Peter doesn't know Otto killed some guys. This will be fun.
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Date: 2014-04-19 11:33 am (UTC)"Wait, he did WHAT? On live television?!? Man, fuck Otto..."
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Date: 2014-04-19 04:13 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-04-19 07:40 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-04-16 06:42 pm (UTC)Wait... is that Venom or Spider-man 2099? Or is it Scarlet Spider, can't really tell.
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Date: 2014-04-16 08:29 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-04-16 08:13 pm (UTC)Also, Peter patched things up with the Avengers in 2 lines. New record.
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Date: 2014-04-16 08:27 pm (UTC)If he did, which team do you think he'd join?
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Date: 2014-04-16 08:31 pm (UTC)I mean Hell, they got Cyclops for that.
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Date: 2014-04-18 08:15 pm (UTC)That Last Panel Inspired Me: A Eulogy for Doctor Octopus
Date: 2014-04-17 12:06 am (UTC)Otto was a man of great integrity and honor, as he proved to us that time he implicitly threatened the life of a college professor in order to secure his (second) doctorate, or when he exploited the trust of his dear friend Flash Thompson in order to separate him from the Venom symbiote against his will for reasons that lesser minds would deem 'self-centered'. And of course, who could forget his constant refusal to submit to any sort of mental inspection to verify his identity, instead trusting in his comrades to believe in him when he said that nothing was wrong and he was totally Spider-Man and not some imposter pretending to be him for self-glorifying purposes. He was a man of science as well, endlessly pushing the boundaries of what was considered 'reasonable' or 'ethical'. For instance, his experiments on rehabilitating the Sinister Six through mind control, while a failure in the end, will pave the way for other like him in the future to build their own forcibly-loyal army of superhumans.
Of course, Otto's greatest achievements were in the field of public service. The network of Spider-Bots that he used to spy on every man, woman, and child in New York City shows that he prioritized safety above all else, even things like 'laws' or 'privacy' or 'basic human rights'. And his compound on Spider Island (which as we all know was given to him free of charge by our beloved mayor J. Jonah Jameson after Otto threatened to otherwise go public with incriminating evidence that would tie Jameson to the death of Alistair Smythe) gave many job opportunities to those who suffered during the current economic recession, even if said jobs seemed suspiciously similar to those present in organizations like AIM or HYDRA. Sure, most of those same disadvantaged people were killed during the Goblin attack of 2014, but they didn't have names or faces that we know of, so who cares about them, right?
And yet, unlike most superheroes of his caliber, he still thought of the livelihoods of the real heroes, our police and fire department. Why, even when his close friend Mary Jane was trapped in a burning building with several other innocent people, he let the fine men and women of the NYFD handle it while he kept an eye on things with a well-placed Spider-Bot, despite her pleas for him to help her. He concerned himself only with things that required a superhero's touch, like giant robots or alien invasions or personally executing a mentally-ill man without trial on live television.
Alas, now he has left our lives forever, to be replaced with the man who originally inhabited the body he stole in order to avoid dying in his old one. But we can all take solace in the fact that most of the people he left behind would have no idea that Otto even left, as in his infinite wisdom he felt that telling them the truth about who he was would raise too many questions he didn't want to answer. Instead, he leaves that task to the noble Peter Parker, along with crippling poverty and the anger of those Otto scorned, either accidentally or intentionally. Truly, Otto Octavius was a man who could never be replaced, and the world seems just a little less colorful without him.
Rest in peace, you lovable scamp, and godspeed to whatever awaits you on the other side.
Re: That Last Panel Inspired Me: A Eulogy for Doctor Octopus
Date: 2014-04-17 01:08 am (UTC)Re: That Last Panel Inspired Me: A Eulogy for Doctor Octopus
Date: 2014-04-17 04:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2014-04-17 12:42 am (UTC)I hope that she doesn't just vanish from the story , never to be seen again, another casualty of the Parker Romantic Luck.
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Date: 2014-04-17 01:14 am (UTC)no subject
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