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scans_dailySome people were unpersuaded by my previous scans showing Huntress being better at stealth than Batman. Their disagreement seemed to be based not on the presentation of counter-examples, but on the contention that the evidence I had presented was not sufficient to prove my case. Now, it is of course a fact of life that everyone must decide for himself what constitutes sufficient evidence; what constitutes sufficient evidence for one person may not for another. Hopefully, though, this additional evidence will persuade a few more people.
To explain the context, a criminal named Rage is uniting the street gangs that control Helena's neighborhood and getting them to stop fighting. Batman wants to stop him, lest Rage make the gangs more powerful, while Huntress is afraid that if Rage is removed, open gang warfare will do too much collateral damage.
Note that she's below and in front of him at the end of page twenty.
Not only did she detect him, but she was then able to get above and behind him without being noticed in return. In any case, they then talk to each other and explain their respective positions, but come to no resolution. The next night, Batman makes another attempt on Rage:
As you can see, it pretty much ends up the same way.
This time, they eventually agree to work together to stop Rage without reigniting the gang war.
So this should add to the weight of evidence, although I don't doubt that many people will still be unpersuaded. After all, stealth is one of Batman's signature attributes. His sudden appearances and disappearances, made without warning, often in the middle of a conversation, are something of a trademark for him.
But to my mind, that very fact makes this evidence all the stronger. When writers deliberately choose to show another character getting the best of Batman in this regard, they do so knowing that they are reversing the position Batman usually finds himself in, and thereby subverting readers' expectations.
That being said, I would certainly have to reevaluate my position were I presented with counter-examples, i.e., instances of Batman proving stealthier than the Huntress. The clearer and more numerous the examples, the more powerful the rebuttal, of course.
To explain the context, a criminal named Rage is uniting the street gangs that control Helena's neighborhood and getting them to stop fighting. Batman wants to stop him, lest Rage make the gangs more powerful, while Huntress is afraid that if Rage is removed, open gang warfare will do too much collateral damage.
Note that she's below and in front of him at the end of page twenty.
Not only did she detect him, but she was then able to get above and behind him without being noticed in return. In any case, they then talk to each other and explain their respective positions, but come to no resolution. The next night, Batman makes another attempt on Rage:
As you can see, it pretty much ends up the same way.
This time, they eventually agree to work together to stop Rage without reigniting the gang war.
So this should add to the weight of evidence, although I don't doubt that many people will still be unpersuaded. After all, stealth is one of Batman's signature attributes. His sudden appearances and disappearances, made without warning, often in the middle of a conversation, are something of a trademark for him.
But to my mind, that very fact makes this evidence all the stronger. When writers deliberately choose to show another character getting the best of Batman in this regard, they do so knowing that they are reversing the position Batman usually finds himself in, and thereby subverting readers' expectations.
That being said, I would certainly have to reevaluate my position were I presented with counter-examples, i.e., instances of Batman proving stealthier than the Huntress. The clearer and more numerous the examples, the more powerful the rebuttal, of course.
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Date: 2009-06-19 09:10 pm (UTC)Also, Selma dates Abe Simpson.
I watch too much tv.
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