ILLUMINATI: T'Challa was right.

[starwolf_oakley]

Here are some pages from the 2006 Illuminati One-Shot.





At first glance, the Illuminati didn't seem like a bad idea. Members of the major teams get together and trade notes. Not a bad thing. Then we find out nobody else knows about this little group and what they do. And THEN we find out the Illuminati can't do anything right.



This annoys me. Now, Maria Hill doesn't *say* these people and dog are dead. But even injured, it is a big deal.
Maybe she's lying to see if Iron Man and Co. will do something to "get rid" of the Hulk. (A theory I think a fanfiction story once used, to be honest.)



Oh, well, Spider-Man won't kill Osborn because... reasons. I remember when only the Punisher and Wolverine would kill people. Then things got more morally flexible in the Marvel Universe. They are still strong with Spider-Man not killing anything. Whatculture.com has ten times Spider-Man killed someone, though. The only ones who came back were Gog and Morlun, IIRC.



Xavier (who is absent) said that if Bruce Banner could kill himself, he would have done so years ago.
Does Bendis hate the Hulk or something? Is the Hulk a part of the Marvel Universe no one really understands?

http://whatculture.com/comics/10-things-marvel-wants-you-to-forget-about-the-hulk.php/11

Aside from Namor, all the others vote yes on shooting the Hulk into space. Namor starts threatening, and Tony says they are all warriors and all willing to fight for what they believe in.

NAMOR: You're a warrior. I'm a king.
TONY: Not up here you're not.

Namor and Tony fight underwater, with Namor ripping off Tony's helmet.



Yes, this kept the Hulk out of CIVIL WAR and PLANET HULK was great. Still, it makes the Illuminati look like they can't do anything right. And then the ILLUMINATI miniseries made it *clear* they can't do anything right. Then Steve Rogers and Hank McCoy joined the ILLUMINATI and again, nothing right.

Comments

[lilacsigil]

+1. If Norman Osborn is that much of a threat, the US seems to have no trouble with the occasional extra-judicial execution. Why put it on Spider-Man?

[pwiggins]

...and yet they had no problem making Osborn head of national security, even though he's a convicted felon and a proven mass murderer. Dude even blew up the cops who went to take him in for questioning over the disappearances of the employees (and one Bugle reporter) he'd been killing for jollies (it's worth noting that Bendis wrote that story). Even in the MarvelU, where it would be possible to make a plausible case and fabricate evidence that Osborn was possessed or brainwashed or swapped with a doppelganger, many people would still be reluctant to trust the guy, let alone see him put in ANY position of authority (look at the treatment Jessica Drew got when it came out the Skrull queen had been impersonating her for years - ANOTHER Bendis story). As it was, Osborn simply made a broadcast and was like "Yeah, that was me flying around on the mechanical bat in green and purple tights blowing shit up with exploding pumpkins and tossing the occasional blonde off a bridge, but now I'm on medication! It's all good," and yet people were STILL queuing up to hump his leg and give him absolute authority over the nation's security simply because he got in a lucky shot on the Skrull queen. Sigh... MU Americans, you disappoint me.

That SHIELD agent Hill mentioned? Is a fucking moron. As daningram and q99 pointed out, if anyone's to blame for Norman Osborn's continued existence, it's the justice system that fails to either contain him in an effective prison or kill him. It's the same bullshit argument as "Why doesn't Batman kill the Joker? Everything Joker does is Batman's fault for not killing him!"

And BTW, the "Hulk goes nuts in Las Vegas and kills 26 people thing"? That happened in an issue of JMS's FANTASTIC FOUR. What Hill conveniently DOESN'T mention is that SHIELD had HIRED Hulk to disarm a gamma bomb that had been hidden there by terrorists (can't remember who, AIM, maybe?), then the bomb went off in his face and amped him up whilst (somehow) causing him to suffer hallucinations of his loved ones dying, driving him berserk. That's a pretty good case for diminished responsibility right there, plus the Thing and the Human Torch, who were right there trying to contain him, would surely have mentioned it if anyone had been killed. However, Maria Hill, one of the primary enforcers of the Superhuman Registration Act on the basis that there needed to be "accountability", instead of holding up her hand and saying "Oh yeah, Hulk was there for us trying to take care of a terrorist threat, SHIELD should share part of the blame, along with whoever left the bomb there" throws Hulk under the bus and tries to put the blame on the supers community for not taking him down years ago. Also, she neglects to mention or put any blame on the US military, who had an entire organisation dedicated to exactly that purpose, for not stopping him (and a lot of the destruction Hulk has caused in populated areas was because of the Hulkbusters or else supervillains or even superHEROes showing up and provoking and attacking him as Hulk or as Banner). The hypocrisy is quite staggering.

[beardedjellybean]

In one of the World War Hulk preludes, Amadeus Cho calls up Reed and points out that a good number of The Hulk's rampages have been the result of something setting him off like in JMS's Fantastic Four the which no one seems to ever remember. And Hulk has done good deeds in his life even if people mostly remember the bad.

[locuatico]

I think it was Doctor Strange who gave the greatest solution to the Hulk Rampages.
"Hulk says he wants to be left alone. here is my advice: leave him alone. monitor him via satellite and anytime he comes near civilization, sound a Hulk alarm like you do with storm alert"
"But what if america's enemies manage to capture him?"
"Send your condolences to america's enemies"

[burkeonthesly]

I thought that was Doc Samson.

[locuatico]

probably. it was a while ago.

[starwolf_oakley]

Who is worse: the MU general public or the Westeros general public from Game of Thrones/Song of Fire and Ice? Of course, Westeros doesn't have newspapers and radio. They get their news through crows. Or bards passing through.