Date: 2015-12-12 09:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chrisdv
Wally outran death.

Also, Reverse Flash's colour scheme is wrong- the red & yellow should be switched.

Date: 2015-12-12 10:41 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] matrix_dragon
It seems to be Barrys fate in the modern era to be compared to his successor, and always come up short. Which I suppose is what he deserves. Still it's a shame, and it's something I wish the writers would realize and try to do something about.

Date: 2015-12-12 12:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laughing_tree
One could use line of thought that to argue why it was time to retire Wally. He'd reached the top; there was nowhere left for the character to go.

I don't subscribe to that myself, but I do find it odd that Barry gets simultaneously criticized for both being too perfect and being less powerful/more flawed than Wally.
Edited Date: 2015-12-12 12:53 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-12-12 03:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lucean
I'll be honest, I haven't seen the second complaint, but if it is more common, then I agree it is a little bit of an annoying situation.

However, I think the retirement point kind of hits on the biggest problem with Wally as I genuinely feel that if they had even allowed Wally to have his big hero moment at the end, ride out in to the sunset and find a way to keep his children around as the next legacy, the fans would have an easier time accepting the change back. Instead, they just showed Wally to the corner in a way that I've never seen before. In all the previous cases, their big character got a farewell. Wally got nothing and then the writers were excited to bring him back where belonged, as Wally's sidekick, instead of allowing Wally to leve with a moment of glory.

Date: 2015-12-12 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
anyone in ocmics can outran death. it's not special. outranning "Death" on the other hand...

Date: 2015-12-12 01:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chrisdv
If you're going to get on someone's case over not capitalising a name, you should probably make sure that you are using correct grammar & spelling yourself.

Date: 2015-12-12 01:23 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
I meanth Death as in Sandman's...

Date: 2015-12-12 02:32 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
I wonder if they deliberately miscoloured Reverse Flash because his design is so damned similar to Flash!Black Racer.

Date: 2015-12-12 10:38 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shakalooloo
Death!Flash is Ultron?

Date: 2015-12-12 10:40 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
Barry, wasn't this exact problem what caused Flashpoint and got all of us into this mess in the first place? Don't keep poking the bear, boy!

Date: 2015-12-12 12:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Barry appears to have the power to NOT learn from previous screw ups...

Date: 2015-12-12 01:05 pm (UTC)
chrisdv: (Default)
From: [personal profile] chrisdv
Except on TV, where he actually learnt "Dicking around with the timestream = bad" the first time around.

Date: 2015-12-12 12:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
The Black Racer going for a "Flash" look seems a little... too boring.

Have to say, I miss the dude on the flying skis.

Date: 2015-12-12 12:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laughing_tree
I assumed he only looked that way because he'd marked the Flash as his new host/vessel, and that his normal form would be different.

Date: 2015-12-12 12:57 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] locuatico
i think my biggest issue with this comic (besides the fact i feel like there was nothing new here) is that The Black Racer is such a dull character specially compared with Death (okay, to be fair, few characters can hold a candle to Death)

Date: 2015-12-12 02:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
I wish she would show up and give him a time out.

Date: 2015-12-12 05:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
In the late 80's/early 90's DC attempted to put forward (In Captain Atom) that there were (at least) three primary "Death's". Black Racer was "Death as something inevitable", Nekron was "Death as the opponent to be fought" and Death of the Endless was "Death as release and compassion".

Neil Gaiman was not consulted about this use of Death of the Endless and was NOT a happy bunny about it, as Death of the Endless was meant to be ALL aspects of Death, not just the "happy" ones because she smiled from time to time.

Date: 2015-12-12 06:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
That's actually a pretty good rule of thumb. Was it just a guideline for creators or was it actually explained this way in the text? Because I can certainly see problems with the latter.

I mean, it makes a good deal of sense not to use Death of the Endless in every instance. Firstly because over exposure could seriously dilute the character, and also because she really doesn't fit with every type of story. Death of the Endless is great for something a little more thoughtful, not to mention goth, but she hardly makes sense as a cackling cosmic schemer or a foe who's going to get socked in the jaw by Superman.

Date: 2015-12-15 03:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sagrada
Even when Death of the Endless smiles, it's not always because she's happy. Sometimes she smiles in condescension at the mortals and their self-importance, like at that convention of worlds and powers.

That and making the woman iteration of Death the 'nice' one has issues even beyond oversimplifying the character.

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