[identity profile] icon_uk.insanejournal.com posting in [community profile] scans_daily
Just found these up at Sal Abatinni's CAF page and thought you'd like to see them too.

Alex Ross has noted that he's always found Robin to be a VERY tough character to draw, as much because he doesn't warm to the concept of Robin (a risk he can never accept Batman taking) as anything else, so I can see the logic of, if he IS going to draw him, beefing up the costume's protective properties.

Not sure about the Nightwing bit, it's a little... Raven-ish to me, but not bad. This Ross fellow shows promise! :0

Oh, and for legality, here's the cover for Legends of the Dark Knight #100, also showing young Mr Grayson.

Date: 2009-07-14 02:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] volksjager.insanejournal.com
I just don't like the facial expressions Alex Ross uses. They have always turned me off.

Date: 2009-07-14 02:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shanejayell.insanejournal.com
They have this kinda 'axe crazy' look at times.

Date: 2009-07-14 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] runespoor7.insanejournal.com
I think Robin gets across as axe crazy a lot of the time. Grinning thirteen year old dressed in the brightest get-up ever, kicking your ass with flips and stuff and punning like he doesn't have your blood on his pixie boots. Personally, I'd be terrified.

Date: 2009-07-15 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the_jeff.insanejournal.com
I thought you were channeling Asprin's Guido... best mobster ever.

Date: 2009-07-14 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] volksjager.insanejournal.com
Yes. He also tend to draw everyone "middle aged", or older than they would seem to be.

Date: 2009-07-14 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darkknightjrk.insanejournal.com
And most disconcerting of all, a lot of Ross' women look like middle-aged men in the face.

Date: 2009-07-14 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluefall.insanejournal.com
Odd facial expressions too, sometimes. I'm a bit bothered by how his Wonder Woman looks perpetually surprised.

Date: 2009-07-14 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreadedlurker.insanejournal.com
I think he tends to draw people as a tad chubby. And with Supes and Batsy, that doesn't work to well.

Date: 2009-07-14 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ian_karkull.insanejournal.com
He seems to be trying to ape the Golden Age Robin's facial axpression, which was rather stylized and thus doesn't really mash with Ross' pseudo-realistic designs.

Date: 2009-07-14 11:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreadedlurker.insanejournal.com
That is a PERFECT description of my reaction to Golden Age Robin.

Date: 2009-07-14 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shanejayell.insanejournal.com
I have to admit I like the Robin redesign. If they ever retcon away the short shorts, that would be a good look.

Date: 2009-07-14 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 04nbod.insanejournal.com
I wish Alex Ross would do another series like Justice. I can't wait for that absolute edition

Date: 2009-07-14 03:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mugiwara.insanejournal.com
Ross is to hoods what Liefeld is to pockets.

Date: 2009-07-14 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aaron_bourque.insanejournal.com

Does Liefeld do pockets particularly . . . something?

Date: 2009-07-14 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thokstar.insanejournal.com
Maybe he means pouches rather than pockets?

Date: 2009-07-14 06:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mugiwara.insanejournal.com
Yes, I mean pouches. Pardon my french.

Date: 2009-07-15 01:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aaron_bourque.insanejournal.com
Well, I have to disagree. It's not like his cloak is wearing cloaks . . .

Date: 2009-07-14 03:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cricharddavies.insanejournal.com
Dammit. Now I have to respect Alex Ross again. That's brilliant -- it harkens back to the alleged inspiration of Robin's name, referring back to Robin Hood!

Date: 2009-07-14 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] perletwo.insanejournal.com
That would explain why, given the choice, he draws an older-teen Robin. I do love the scales all the way down the legs and arms, and I like the shift in color palette, though it would've been hard to maintain before computer coloring came into play.

Nightwing: either current-Raven or Hourman. Love the face though.

Date: 2009-07-14 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jesidres.insanejournal.com
Ok, those Nightwing costume ideas are kinda...sorta....shit, ok they're pretty damn awesome. Still think he's better without a cape though.

Date: 2009-07-14 04:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] runespoor7.insanejournal.com
The Robin cape looks like it was stolen from Green Arrow's closet, and is too long for something I'd associate with Dick. Also, not enough yellow, even if the thought of changing colors is interesting.

And Nightwing shouldn't have a cloak.

Date: 2009-07-14 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tavella.insanejournal.com
Robin's not bad, but yes, Dick's a gymnast and would have no interest whatsoever in a nasty entangling cape. It's a case of thinking about the look of something and nothing whatsoever about the character wearing it.

Date: 2009-07-14 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] runespoor7.insanejournal.com
Especially after the clever meta we recently had about Dick's costumes in the most recent issues of Batman and Batman and Robin.

Date: 2009-07-14 04:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unknownscribler.insanejournal.com
That is quite lovely.

Date: 2009-07-14 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freddylloyd.insanejournal.com
With the exception of that Legends of the Dark Knight cover, all the pictures I've seen Ross do of the traditional Robin have a stiff, mannequinnish quality. Perhaps he didn't have the right models, or perhaps his disbelief in the character came through. Though I don't like the hood and long cape, I do see many more signs of life in Ross's redesigned Robin. Thanks for sharing.

Date: 2009-07-14 04:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aaron_bourque.insanejournal.com
Yeah, I'm liking the Robin redesign. The Nightwing redesign, though, is basically the same thing, but (presumably) with different colors.

Wish he had an actual HELMET but . . .

Date: 2009-07-14 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lieut_kettch.insanejournal.com
If that Nightwing costume had an actual helmet, with all the bird elements in the costume and equipment, he'd be flying in the God Phoenix taking down the forces of Galactor/Spectra.

Waitaminit... both characters were voiced by Casey Kasem at some point.

Not to mention Alex Ross did do a BoP mini a few years ago.

Date: 2009-07-14 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kamino_neko.insanejournal.com
The end result of that is Robin in the Teen Titans cartoon, in his motorcycle-riding gear.

Date: 2009-07-14 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] toasty_fresh.insanejournal.com
Meh. I've never been a big fan of Alex Ross, so I'm not feeling these too much . . . I'd like the Robin one better if the cape were shorter, personally.

Date: 2009-07-15 08:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psychop_rex.insanejournal.com
Oooh, I LIKE the Nightwing costume! Very classy. Sure, it does kinda tap into Raven's costume, but then I like her look, too, so that's OK. The Robin one is... interesting, but the chainmail on the legs looks a bit weird to me - tactically unsound, too. There's a reason why people never wore chainmail pants back in olden times - it's HEAVY, with a shirt of the stuff weighing upwards of twenty pounds, and while your upper body can take the strain easily enough, on your legs I'm guessing it would slow down your stride quite a bit. (Also, I can imagine that it would be REALLY easy for your pants to fall down if your belt was loosened even a tiny bit - not the most dignified, or safe, thing to happen on a battlefield.) Even with the lighter metals that would probably be used today, I don't think it's really practical on a character who is known for jumping around and kicking people. (Come to think of it, that's one reason why the short-shorts actually make a sort of sense - they free up the legs for high kicks and the like. It's the same sort of logic that a Ninja's pants are designed around.)

Date: 2009-07-15 01:56 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I like the idea behind the Robin costume and it's a simple way to modernize it. The hood is a bit Robin Hood-ish, which I hope to hell isn't some kind of visual pun.

Nightwing, though, I don't know. I want to like it, but I always liked that Nightwing DIDN'T have a cape because it suited his circus performer background. A cape would be impractical for all the aerial stunts he pulls.\

-ThatNickGuy, who really should create an account.

Date: 2009-07-27 02:20 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Robin Hood. Robin's hood. It's a pun. It's a... disturbingly multi-faceted pun, but still.

-Nighteyes (who should also get a damned account, aurgh.)


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