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Does anyone else think Superman's attitude towards Lex here is a little OOC? I mean, they used to be friends when they  were kids and in Grant Morrison's JLA run Superman said that "there's a good man in there somewhere."





The issue also introduces a new character, Simon Valentine, who will apparently be Superboy's "greatest friend-- and his greatest enemy." Even before that line he reminded me a little bit of a young Lex Luthor. It'll be interesting to see what happens with him.

Also, this was on DC's main page.

Superboy-Prime!

Date: 2009-08-12 09:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] runespoor7.insanejournal.com
Dear Geoff Johns:

Please give it a rest.

Date: 2009-08-12 11:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] volksjager.insanejournal.com
It gets worse if you read the preview of the new Clark Kent/Smallville origin that geoff is about to trample on...

Date: 2009-08-12 09:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wtfomfg2.insanejournal.com
This might be a little off topic, but am I the only one who thinks this book would be the perfect place to bring Chloe Sullivan into the DCU? I mean, she could have almost the exact same role she has in the earlier seasons of Smallville, just with Kon instead of Clark.

Date: 2009-08-12 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] majingojira.insanejournal.com
It's never just you.

Especially now that you've mentioned it.

Date: 2009-08-12 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icon_uk.insanejournal.com
Interesting notion, the only problem with it that I can see being that Chloe was already more of a Lois Lane than their Lois Lane was, and I don't necessarily want to see Kon have to deal with EVERYTHING that Clark did.

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Date: 2009-08-12 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] majingojira.insanejournal.com
Knowing about how genetics does influence how a person turns out, and how the nature/nuture debate makes seeing storylines like this where they hamfistedly play with the concept rather painful to read.

Here's the rub, while a person may be genetically predispoded to a behavior, experiences in their life have to exist for it to be triggered.

At least, according to the most recent thinking on the subject that I've had access too.

So no, yeah. Conner. Your angst is as manufactured as you are. Shut it.

Date: 2009-08-13 07:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arilou_skiff.insanejournal.com
"Men make their history, but in circumstances not of their own making."

Date: 2009-08-12 09:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kingrockwell
Oh, Kon, that's just silly! You quit that now, quit that!

Date: 2009-08-12 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aegof.livejournal.com (from insanejournal.com)
This is the only story Superboy's ever going to have. Ever.
Every other story he'll ever have will stem from, be related to, or be retconed to be a part of this one.

Date: 2009-08-12 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Is it me or it Clark's bulge somewhat prominent in the first scan? I'm starting to think I see it every time they show a superhero's crotch.

Date: 2009-08-12 10:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minarho1.insanejournal.com
I was reading a great blog a while ago (though not that great if I can't remember in retrospect) that artists weren't always so SQUEAMISH about bulges like they are now. The gist was "what does it say about us when we accept grotesquely built bodies but shy away from even the barest realistic detail in the crotch? What poor mutilated things our heroes are now!"

I cannot help but agree. Blame the puritanical U.S.? Other than that, I got nothin'

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Date: 2009-08-12 10:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] octopussoir.insanejournal.com
While the writing leaves much to be desired, the art is gorgeous. I might just buy it for the art and play sticky note madlibs with the dialogue same way I did with Hush.

Date: 2009-08-12 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jelly_ace.insanejournal.com
Can I say that's just brilliant?

Date: 2009-08-12 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minarho1.insanejournal.com
The "NEXT: Wonder*Girl! thing cracks me up. Maybe it's the ridiculously laid out good/evil itinerary in Conner's diary leading up to it.

Date: 2009-08-13 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bluefall.insanejournal.com
I'm kind of pleased to see it, actually, in a perverse way. I was starting to be cautiously optimistic about Cassie again, and knowing she's got some good thorough Johns-penned facetime coming up next month helps nip that dangerous and foolhardy emotion in the bud.

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Date: 2009-08-12 10:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aeolos_sakya.insanejournal.com
Oh, please, Kon, it's like if you were lying to your father or brother.
That doesn't mean you are going to be evil.
Johns, please, you can be better than that...

Date: 2009-08-13 05:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] comicoz.insanejournal.com
I imagine they are just pushing the Titans Tomorrow storyline in here. Remember, in there Kon flew to this house to talk to "Pa" who was Lex...

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Date: 2009-08-12 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] runespoor7.insanejournal.com
To develop: not only is it frickin' annoying that Geoff Johns is again pushing his retcon baby down our throat - and like others have said, making it look like Kon is never going to have a storyline not somehow related to the evil half of his genetic make-up - but how does it make sense?

He's hung around with Tim Drake, and Tim is the poster boy for 'I lie to my mentor'! And Kon's a teen! Lying to one's parental figure = teenaged behaviour! How does that add up to Kon angsting over lying to Superman? What ever could give him the dumb idea that lying to Superman = Lex Luthor?!

Date: 2009-08-12 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] merseybeatler.insanejournal.com
It's like assuming that since Charlie Chaplin had a toothbrush mustache, and Hitler had a toothbrush mustache, either Chaplin was a Nazi or Hitler was funny.

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Date: 2009-08-12 10:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mullon.insanejournal.com
I'm okay with Superman thinking Luthor is an irredeemable sociopath, becaue he kinda is.

As I read this, I tihnk that the storyline is going to be about Kon trying to redeem Luthor somehow, which could be interesting.

Date: 2009-08-12 11:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] schmevil.insanejournal.com
As I read this, I tihnk that the storyline is going to be about Kon trying to redeem Luthor somehow, which could be interesting.

I'd be willing to read that story.

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Date: 2009-08-12 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rab62.insanejournal.com
Much agreement that Superman's comments about Lex are all wrong. Not just in a continuity-oriented sense, but in the more fundamental sense that Superman's core philosophy should always be that no one is beyond hope and you should try to help everyone.

The writer of this comic should consult with the guy who wrote Legion of Three Worlds, which addressed this very topic... ;-)

Date: 2009-08-13 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yaseen101.insanejournal.com
This is from the same person who wrote L3W.

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Date: 2009-08-12 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jelly_ace.insanejournal.com
Kon should just hang out with Tim and work out their angst together. Angst and authority figures/idols don't mix.

Date: 2009-08-13 07:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icon_uk.insanejournal.com
And invite Bart over...

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Date: 2009-08-12 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
Sorry Connor, Lex was born bad. DC's been pretty clear about genetic predetermination. Batgirl couldn't win, and neither will you. Sorry.

Date: 2009-08-12 11:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] runespoor7.insanejournal.com
That's why Damian being Robin is a good idea, too. Because he may have killed people, but his dad's Batman! So it'll turn alright. (Talia doesn't count cuz she's just his mother.)

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It's not just them..

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Date: 2009-08-12 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashez2ashes.insanejournal.com
This art is sooo pretty. Oh Kon, you're so man pretty... I'd like to see this artist and colorist on Wonder Woman. The style would really lend itself well to mythic themes.

Date: 2009-08-13 04:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gothamsprincess.insanejournal.com
Ummm...your avatar is TOTALLY AWESOME.

Date: 2009-08-13 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] perletwo.insanejournal.com
Now that you've posted these four pages, does that mean we can't post anything from the Legion back-up? Coz I may have...nitpicks. Particularly with those funky yellow holo-ID boxes.

Date: 2009-08-13 06:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darklorelei.insanejournal.com
I think the backups are being treated like separate stories for page counts, although I'm not totally positive.

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Date: 2009-08-13 12:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sistermagpie.insanejournal.com
I swear from reading comics you'd think that everyone grew up obsessed with exactly what kind of people their parents were because they were fated to be one or the other. I've never in my life thought of either of my parents or anything in my DNA as holding my doom in terms of ethical development.

Also, Kon? I think everyone's lied to Superman. Superman himself lies to everyone even more.

Date: 2009-08-13 01:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
To be fair, it is a valid plot with Connor. He's barely grown up and put a great emphasize on his Superman-genes during his super hero career.

It's just that well...we've seen this plot way to many times already.

Date: 2009-08-13 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bjorkubus.insanejournal.com
This looks like it was colored with Copic Markers.. and I LOVE IT.

Date: 2009-08-13 04:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zegim.insanejournal.com
Everything in this issue was going great until these pages.

I said "wut?" out loud.

Date: 2009-08-13 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lencannon.insanejournal.com
I think you are all misreading what is happening in this comic (the same way Superman is). Superboy isn't at Luthor's house, asking questions about him because he is worried about what type of person his father will turn him into.

At the end of the book, he marks off "helps anyone who needs it" because that's what he plans to do. Help Lex Luthor become a better person.

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Date: 2009-08-14 01:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] janegray.insanejournal.com
This art is gorgeous :DDD

I've never been a Superboy fan, but now I'm curious. Who created Connor? How did Lex react when he learned that somebody had made a clone of him and Superman?

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