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Date: 2010-08-16 10:00 pm (UTC)Maybe some of the old-timey pulp stuff that superheroes were influenced by, and of course no doubt there's a porn niche for that.
An interesting example of patriarchy biting men in the ass:
Date: 2010-08-16 10:02 pm (UTC)Superhero comics have nothing good to say about approaching rape as storylines. Identity Crisis is one blatant example of it, and so is the rather horrible example of homophobia from the Hulk comics posted a while back.
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Date: 2010-08-16 10:15 pm (UTC)Originally? No.
Son of the Demon is not in continuity now, only fragments of what Morrison wanted and changed are. So in this continuity? Yes. He admits the retconned history of her raping him (or Batman accusing her of raping him) comes about from his lack of knowledge of the character/previous story he was trying to grab at to create Damian, but it's still official as of now.
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Date: 2010-11-08 08:46 pm (UTC)Thanks, doll.
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Date: 2010-08-16 10:15 pm (UTC)I will say this, though--the way he calls it a "eugenics experiment" makes me think that he wasn't sexually taken advantage of, but more that they extracted a DNA sample. It's also possible that he's talking about a different event, possibly Ra's led--she's going on about one of the good times they had, and Bruce's reply feels more like, "Yeah, that was a LONG time ago, and there are more bad memories than good now."
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Date: 2010-08-16 10:25 pm (UTC)Though Ivy really has been misanthropist for so long that she hasn't really actually done any seduction that I can remember in quite a while.
Raven's emotional manipulation was always a bit iffy to me. And the Greek Gods have basically done some serious screwed up stuff to Donna Troy (Coeus and Hyperion), and Diana too.
DC is full of ~gray areas~ when it comes to this stuff, or at least, it's depicted as grey when it's ... kind of not.
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Date: 2010-08-16 10:29 pm (UTC)You mean pretty much exactly like Starfox of the Eternals..
Or the old LSH bad guy Apollo (and conversely, the old LSH bad girl, Charma)
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Date: 2010-08-16 10:49 pm (UTC)Also, do editors even bother to read what Grant Morrison writes, or do they just say "screw it, he's weird" and put it into print? Because there was also that time when he was writing New X-Men and got Sebastian Shaw's power wrong...
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Date: 2010-08-17 01:46 pm (UTC)That's not what happened, of course. The 'marriage' however, is kind of a contrivance. I think what Morrison did is conflate an earlier appearance with Batman being kidnapped and (iirc) drugged (and propositioned by Talia, when R'as 'married' them), which is referenced in 'Son of the Demon'. So I'm not sure it's so much failed to remember as mixed the two together and got a different result.
You can see it referenced in Son of the Demon:
http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2067915.html?thread=69724619
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Date: 2010-08-16 11:08 pm (UTC)Shado did much the same with Oliver Queen.
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Date: 2010-08-16 11:19 pm (UTC)Have there been any recent fail retcons to make the rape of Ollie by Shado look more consensual? I thought I read somewhere that that happened.
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Date: 2010-08-17 12:57 am (UTC)Oh another datapoint
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