A 'The Avengers" Parody Comic

[superfangirl1]

The Avengefuls #1

Comments

[q99]

I've even seen the 'Capt needs sensitivity training' joke before, at Shortpacked. Only, y'know, much better done.

[auggie18]

Yeah, I was about to bring that up. It's been done before, shorter and better.

[icon_uk]

Now THAT I laughed at!

[invadertoph]

See?! Now that was funny. And I pretty sure some of that stuff probably actually happened. Especially with Ultimates!Cap.

[donnblake]

See, even that I didn't find particularly compelling. Things that go "Cap's from World War Two, he must be racist/sexist/homophobic/religiously intolerant miss a vital point- Captain America doesn't represent America how it is or how it was at any particular point in history, he represents a very idealized version of what America *should* be.

All IMHO of course.

[ablackraptor]

Pretty much, yeah. The idea that he should reflect that time is pretty narrow minded. A big part of Steve Rogers' character is that he's an honest to god nice guy. He's the kind of man who would be far beyond his time concerning views on equality.

What people seem to forget is basically what you said: He's not a symbol of what America is, its what America is supposed to be. Its one of the reasons that even people in countries less tolerant of Americanization and patriotism can enjoy him, and why he's fairly popular over on this side of the pond.

[mrstatham]

The whole 'Cap needing adjustment' thing was far better done by Millar, of all people, in the sequence of the Ultimates where Cap wakes up. And they didn't even make a big deal of it - from what I remember, it was a one page thing before Cap made an escape attempt.

Trying to make Cap needing adjustment the basis of a whole characterisation means that you'd better be one Hell of a comedy writer, frankly. And Johnston just isn't one.

[sharky_chan]

Trying to make Cap needing adjustment the basis of a whole characterisation means that you'd better be one Hell of a comedy writer
I know the Avengers movie is sacred, and I'm not allowed to not like it, but this is the problem I had with Cap's characterization in it. Beneath the "look how outdated he is" jokes, there wasn't any compelling or interesting or of substance about Steve or his storyline.

Kinda misses the point of Cap (which donnblake pointed out so eloquently). IMO, of course! ^^.

[mrstatham]

I think part of the problem there is that the Cap movie naturally only took us up to the point where Steve awakes in the modern America; An Avengers movie was never going to be thorough enough in terms of exploring the characters, and sadly, Cap was probably the one who needed it the most because of his situation at the end of his film.

Unfortunately, unless you were Hulk, Iron Man, Loki or Black Widow, then you drew a short straw. Everyone else just has to get characterisation attached to them via Tumblr.

[ablackraptor]

To each his own. Apparently they were planning to incorporate that as a character arc for him, but had to cut the bulk of it for time. They're planning to reuse that for Captain America 2 apparently.

I love the film, but I get what you're saying there, since each one got at least something, their own little arc (Tony learnt to be a team player and make sacrifices, Bruce learnt to embrace the Hulk, Nat and Clint had their 'save him as repayment for sparing her' plot, Thor had to come to terms with the act the Loki he loved as a brother is gone, etc), yet Cap didn't get anything. He was just sorta, there, to be Cap. Still a good film, and Chris Evans made a great Steve, he could have just got better treatment.