Superman versus Wonder Woman : The Sacrifice Part 4 of 4

[lucky_gamble]

Over a storyline spanning several issues, it's revealed that Maxwell Lord has been taking over Superman's mind (it took him several years to achieve that). The result has made Superman highly suggestive, which ends with Clark taking out the whole Justice League sans-Wonder Woman. The actual story isn't that great but the climax is rather amazing. The following pages only show half of the WWvsSupes fight.





















We all know what Wonder Woman did next. Damn page limits =(

Comments

[silicondream]

At what point did Superman's killing the Pocket Universe Kryptonians get retconned away? Cause I thought that was still in continuity when this scene was written.

Shit, he thought Diana was Doomsday and was fully prepared to kill her in this very scene, wasn't he? He's pretty much always been willing to kill Doomsday if he had to, far as I can see.

So yeah, his reaction made no sense here.

[aravis]

He was also out of his mind (not just mind controlled, but in uncontrollable rage from that mind control, and thinking he was fighting Darkseid/Doomsday/Similar near immortal creatures). Diana acted in cold blood. See the difference?

As for killing Doomsday, that, too, is not in cold blood, but as direct reaction to direct attack (And there's also the question of whether Doomsday is sentient or not).

As for other solutions... Knock Max out, then keep him drugged up, then get the proper process started as to what to do with him. That wasn't so hard was it?

[q99]

Keep in mind on proper process, Max has an organization of superspies and Brother Eye on his deck. A force of OMACs could free him really easily.

[aravis]

If Diana was aware of Max's resources, just have half the Superheroes on Earth guard him. If she wasn't, how does it in any way excuse her actions as necessary?

[q99]

I'm pretty sure the OMACs could've gotten there well before half the superheroes of Earth.

The reason she personally was there was because she was just about the only hero that could resist his powers.

The fact is that *Max* didn't think he could be imprisoned in a way that could stop him from retriggering Superman, just death. He said so under lasso.

[aravis]

The reason it was her was because J'onn was temporarily unavailible, since he's even more resistant to his powers. And the OMACs wouldn't get there first, if the heros were already there (not to mention, how many superheroes could get there in less than a second? All Kryptonian's, all Flashes, J'onn... And I think all GLs too. Should be enough).

And yes, he THOUGHT that was the only way. No way of knowing if that's true, since Diana was trigger-happy.

[q99]

I think pretty much everyone you name is out of action or in space at this point.

Also JLA teleporters were down, there was no JLA telepathic link to call for backup, and Max is actually capable of going up mentally against J'onn (as seen later in Booster Gold).

[arrogantcur.livejournal.com]

If Max was able to retrigger Superman after Diana ordered him to "release him", he would have.

Like this:

WW: Release him.

ML: Fine.

SM: Diana...

WW: It's all right, Kal--

ML: Now I'm triggering him again. You didn't tell me not to do that, after all. *smirks*

SM:

The fact that Lord didn't do that proves that he was incapable of it.

He was incapable of anything.

He was harmless.

Diana still killed him.

Mrstatham's told me that it is basically insane to compare this to something Wolverine would do. Um, hey, there was this one time when Rachel Summers was about to kill a then-helpless Selene for being a psychic vampire who had killed people to sustain her youth and who had every intention of continuing to do it. Wolverine of all people stopped Rachel.

He stopped her from doing it and told her, to paraphrase, "We're supposed to be HEROES, and heroes do NOT murder people. Which is what you're getting ready to do. Murder."

So Diana as written here? Is actually worse than the Claremont version of Wolverine, crossing ethical lines that he won't touch.

The fact that she's worse than any version of Wolverine ought to be perceived as a bad thing by fans of the character, not a good one.

[deepspaceartist]

The fact is that *Max* didn't think he could be imprisoned in a way that could stop him from retriggering Superman, just death. He said so under lasso.

Or it's just the first way of stopping him he said, knowing that Brother Eye would broadcast her executing a bound prisoner worldwide. If Diana had bothered to ask if there was any other way (seeing as Max was clearly at least temporarily shut down) before she got to the executing, there might have been a very different ending.

[silicondream]

He acted in cold blood when killing the Pocket Universe Kryptonians. And he didn't particularly look like the mind control was driving him to uncontrollable rage in this scene; rather, he became enraged as a reaction to what the mind control was making him see.

Of course there were other solutions, Diana's acting like an idiot too here. But Superman's not particularly suggesting any of them, and his "thou shall not kill no matter what" attitude just isn't consistent with his past behavior. He's never been as judgey about other people killing as he is about doing it himself.