IVX #0

[flint_marko]

Later, Beast discovers something about the Terrigen but doesn't tell the Inhumans.

Comments

[mastermahan]

The Phoenix wasn't necessary for mutants to live, only for more humans to become mutants. The key message of the X-Men franchise is that mutants are people too, and that humans and mutants aren't really that different. The people Phoenix mutated at the end were already living, thinking individuals - it just shifted them into a minority group, whether they wanted to be or not?

Suppose a cosmic event turned nearly everyone on Earth gay (or straight, or bi, or changed their race, gender, etc. Insert something that would affect you personally)? There's a cosmic entity coming that might restore the balance of sexual orientation, but it might also kill everyone on the planet, and it definitely *is* killing sentients on other planets? Is that really worth risking billions of human lives for?

[icon_uk]

Not really comparable I don't think.

Cyclops HOPED the Phoenix would restore mutants, he didn't know it for sure since no one could communicate with it.

He wanted the Phoenix to bond to a human, and if it could "fix" the x-gene, then so much the better.

We KNOW the Terrigen cloud kills mutants, that's just a flat out fact.

[mastermahan]

The Terrigen Cloud has killed and is killing people (mutants are people). The Phoenix was also killing people (sentient aliens are people).

It's hardly a strict one to one, but the base debate underlying both is whether powers and culture are worth the trade-off of lives.

[icon_uk]

Not really I think.

The Phoenix was coming to Earth, that was going to happen, the X-Men's plan was intended to mitigate the threat when it did, the Avengers bollixed it up.

The Terrigen Mist is happening, it's kiling mutants every day, the Inhumans are actively stopping mutants and humans from getting rid of it when they could be trying to stop it (not just mitigate the effects, but actually STOP it) despite the fact it's not essential to them staying alive. It's not even the only source of Terrigen in the universe.

[lordultimus]

The Avengers determined the Phoenix was coming for Hope. Their plan was to relocate her to an uninhabited planet (with the exception of Wolverine). Cyclops refused because it might help them, but never explained how they would control it. Granted, the Avengers were rude, but there was never any explanation as to why the Phoenix couldn't fly back to Earth from the uninhabited planet and create new mutants.

[flint_marko]

They wanted to stop or destroy the Phoenix.

Where did they say anything about just wanting to relocate her to an uninhabited planet?

[obsidianwolf]

I don't think so the X-men didn't say anything about mutating existing humans. I mean I don't recall the PHoenix Five doing that at all. The fact it happened at the end of A V X seemed to be a consequence of what Wanda and Hope did to get rid of the PHoenix. The x-men seemed to be counting on the phoenix undoing whatever Wanda did that was making it difficult for new mutants to be born. The fact Hope was showing signs of the force ever since she was a child and her presence started new mutants being born after M-day gave quite a bit of credence to the idea that it would fix things.

There's also the fact that the Phoenix is the equivelent of an act of god it was going to come to Earth no matter what. The X-men are the most informed about the phoenix of any group on Earth, having a living former host among their number, and having the word of Hope's time travelling dad that the avengers taking her means bad news. I mean both sides hugged the idiot balls hard in A v x but the avenger held them the hardest.

The terrigen situation is completely different the phoenix coming to Earth was not by the x-men's design, They didn't intentionally summon it to save mutant kind. It was coming and acting on the information that they had and experience they made their decisions about it. Was it right for them to risk the whole world probably not but the avengers solution was even more risky and directly led to the whole PHoenix five thing. It was a solution we'd seen before didn't work.

On the other hand the cloud was intentionally released for the purpose of mutating individuals against their will by the inhuman king. It is also demonstrably harmful and destroying it has no negative consequences except inhumans can't mutate themselves with it any more that's it that's the only consequence.