Date: 2009-08-01 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shanejayell.insanejournal.com
Okay....

Totally OOC? Or Anal Skrull?

Date: 2009-08-01 12:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenursula.insanejournal.com
She's a spy for Fury; she isn't really working with HYDRA.

Date: 2009-08-01 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jlbarnett.insanejournal.com
with her phrasing it might be possible whatever's in the box has driven her nuts

Date: 2009-08-01 02:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lieut_kettch.insanejournal.com
It's good. All Nick has to do is take his shirt off and Val will snap out of it.

Date: 2009-08-01 01:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aaron_bourque.insanejournal.com
What are you talking about? All women are evil, didn't you know?

Date: 2009-08-01 01:29 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] xdoop.insanejournal.com
She isn't really working with HYDRA.

Date: 2009-08-01 02:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icon_uk.insanejournal.com
As she's just casually opened the handy "BOX'O'DOOM", are you sure? If Hydra have been running SHEILD for years, her being a high ranking HYDRA agent makes as much sense as anything. And since Fury is going on and on and on about how he only trusts certain people, it would make sense that one of the people he trusts, he really can't.

Date: 2009-08-01 02:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] xdoop.insanejournal.com
Image (http://www.pict.com/)

So we know someone in HYDRA's inner circle is a traitor.

And it's implied she's the one who pressed the panic button that brought Fury's Caterpillars.

Date: 2009-08-03 05:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
Ya know, given the short list of suspects and her own past, you'd think that she'd be smarter than that.

Date: 2009-08-01 12:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arilou_skiff.insanejournal.com
Especially women with boxes. (although it was really a kind of clay pot, IIRC)

Date: 2009-08-01 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aaron_bourque.insanejournal.com
women with boxes

Isn't that all women?

Date: 2009-08-03 04:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashtoreth.insanejournal.com
That IS one of the metaphors for the Pandora's box myth.

Date: 2009-08-01 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adon_ca.insanejournal.com
They're being coy as to whether Val is spying FOR Fury or if she's betraying him, and presumably has been for some time. If it's the former, I will be mildly pleased. If it's the latter, well, I can't say I would be shocked considering the premise of this book is that everything we knew was wrong whether it makes sense or not, and we are living in an age where character and continuity are strictly secondary to the stories they want to tell RIGHT NOW. It would make me unhappy, yes, but at this point Marvel has done so much to make me unhappy that it's like kicking a dead puppy. It's mean and disrespectful, but the puppy at least can't feel it any more.

Date: 2009-08-01 12:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcspakypants.insanejournal.com
I can't praise this book enough. Hickman's writing and Bendis's plotting are spot-on, and Casselli's art is beautiful.

Date: 2009-08-01 12:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
Oh how I yearn for the books that applied intelligence to characters in the intelligence community. Ah well...

Date: 2009-08-01 01:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mechanicaljewel.insanejournal.com
Yeah, I could definitely do without Daisy's whole "WHY DON'T YOU, MY SUPERIOR OFFICER WITH 7 DECADES OF COMBAT AND SPY EXPERIENCE, TELL ME, SOME CHICK WHOSE NAME YOU PROBABLY JUST DREW OUT OF A HAT, WHAT IS GOING ON?!?!"

Date: 2009-08-01 01:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenursula.insanejournal.com
The previous page had Fury saying that if she wanted to ask him something, then to just ask it.

Date: 2009-08-01 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mechanicaljewel.insanejournal.com
Did he say she would get an answer?

Date: 2009-08-01 01:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenursula.insanejournal.com
No, but it's not like she's just asking him out of the blue.

Date: 2009-08-01 12:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] stig.insanejournal.com
Heh, just like Jesus.

"Ask, and ye shall recieve!"

"Okay. If your Dad's so great and all, why does he keep wiping out large masses of people who fall under specific criteria?"

"Shutupshutupshutup! I don't have to answer your questions! I'm going and getting crucified!"

"Great. Now I feel confused AND guilty."

Date: 2009-08-01 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
Actually, that's one of the few things that make sense in this book.

Daisy's training means she's only above average in the game she's in. She's facing foes with superior training, firepower and experience. Nick Fury is the only buffer between her and a slow and painful death. And he's being a complete douche.

Nothing else about this series makes sense, though. How Hydra has been running Shield for decades, why Fury is relying on a bunch of wet behind the ears kids or how these kids are supposed to be from off the grid sources. Fury found them by asking social services!

IMO, there's no evidence that the writer has thought his plots through. And IMO, spy stories may not need airtight plots, they need to at least stand up to inspection. And Secret Warriors don't.

Date: 2009-08-03 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ashtoreth.insanejournal.com
But Daisy is a former Mary Sue! In Secret War she was all threatening all the heroes and shit!

Date: 2009-08-03 05:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
She's lost the protection that Bendis provided, that's why she's scared!

Date: 2009-08-01 02:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] warpedhand.insanejournal.com
And this, children, is why you don't make an 18 year old a top level intelligence officer.

Date: 2009-08-01 02:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
She's risked more than Fury has, and really is in far more danger. Things go south, Fury knows how to survive. Secret Warriors? Less so.

Date: 2009-08-01 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fromtheaether.insanejournal.com
Minor detail.

The team is called the Caterpillars. Secret Warriors refers to them, Hydra, the Commandos, and even HAMMER (sort of).

Date: 2009-08-01 02:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] proteus_lives.insanejournal.com
I've said it before and I'll say it again. When Nick Fury fucks with you...he FUCKS with you.

Date: 2009-08-01 02:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kali921.insanejournal.com
So, Kenuichio's hand got all better, huh? Where in canon did I miss that his hand grew back after his last loppity-lop fight with Logan?

Date: 2009-08-01 02:40 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] xdoop.insanejournal.com
He has an artificial hand.

Date: 2009-08-01 02:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kali921.insanejournal.com
I'm shocked, given his resources, that someone hasn't cloned him a hand and just grafted it on. Where, by the way, was it shown that his hand is artificial?

Date: 2009-08-01 02:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] xdoop.insanejournal.com
I thought it was shown in New Avengers, but I was wrong.

Date: 2009-08-01 07:07 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] stig.insanejournal.com
THE BOX

WHAT'S IN THE BOX

Date: 2009-08-01 11:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beastman12010.insanejournal.com
Marcellus Wallace's soul.

Date: 2009-08-01 12:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arilou_skiff.insanejournal.com
All the miseries of the world... And hope.

Date: 2009-08-01 12:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] stig.insanejournal.com
I can just see Hercules suddenly cupping a hand to his ear. "What was...ah, crap, not again. You put a label on a box saying "Don't open the box", and then some lousy woman...ugh. Stupid box."

Date: 2009-08-03 03:19 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-08-01 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tahngarth.insanejournal.com
Black Widow is actually Black Widow who's working for Fury while the Hydra chick is actually Contessa who's working for Fury. So every Marvel villainess is actually another female character working for Nick Fury?

Date: 2009-08-01 12:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] stig.insanejournal.com
You wait until Madame Masque reveals herself as Gwen Stacy. You just wait.

Date: 2009-08-01 12:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tahngarth.insanejournal.com
That's just silly!

...it's cleary Aunt May...

Date: 2009-08-01 12:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] stig.insanejournal.com
*Slaps Forehead*

Of course, what was I thinking! Gwen is blonde! She's the one leading the Dark X-Men!

And, of course, we'll find out that The Hood is in fact secretly Squirrel Girl. He's annoying, he seemingly can't be defeated, the other villains respect him, he acts like a little girl...isn't it obvious?

Date: 2009-08-01 12:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tahngarth.insanejournal.com
Emma Frost was replaced by Gwen Stacy near the end of Generation X, it's why she suddenly went from responsible headmaster to seducing Cyclops.

Date: 2009-08-01 12:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] stig.insanejournal.com
It's the Skrulls of today. Invasion of the Traitorous Hot Chicks. Sooner or later we'll discover that Dr. Doom's Mum, Mephisto, MJ, Jean Grey and Wanda Maximoff were all the same person wreaking devastating havoc on the Marvel U.

And then they'll all turn out to be the alternate personas of Typhoid Mary and she'll become the new head of S.O.C.K. (Strategic Offensive Crapfest Killers).

And then Bendis will finally have enough money for the operation.

Date: 2009-08-01 12:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tahngarth.insanejournal.com
I'm afraid to ask which operation...

Date: 2009-08-01 01:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] stig.insanejournal.com
Ah, fuck all of this. I can't be bothered to mock inferior bits of writing anymore. So long, s_d.

I'm out.

Date: 2009-08-01 05:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aaron_bourque.insanejournal.com
The one that removes his head and implants it on an ape body?

Date: 2009-08-01 06:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tahngarth.insanejournal.com
Like the Ultra-Humanite? Or Gorilla-Man?

Date: 2009-08-02 07:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aegof.livejournal.com (from insanejournal.com)
Or Giganta?

Date: 2009-08-02 09:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aaron_bourque.insanejournal.com
That that one Headman.

A group Bendis wouldn't touch with a 15' pole, except to murder gruesomely to make one of his pet characters look more bad ass.

And thus failing.

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