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scans_dailyBruce and Damian have a LONG overdue father son moment, which leads to something terrribly sad.
Bruce FINALLY confronts Damian over his whole "Jail the bad guys without due process, and possibly reprogram their minds" plan he's been running in Teen Titans of late.
Damian says that since Batman no longer seems to worry about making the villains fear him, HE will.
The other Titans inform him that they're actually not nearly as scared of the villains as they are of Robin these days
Bruce tries to get him to stop.
Too bloody right you have Bruce. A Robin isn't just for random crossover appearances because Bruce is being all broody by himself is what the Batfamily titles tend to go for, it's for life and this kid is THIRTEEN!
Damian has a rather horrible flashback to Alfred's death (and Alfred begging, not for his life, but that Damian isn't made to watch him die, which is ignored) as he stares at the R symbol on his chest, until...
So this does seem to confirm the various rumours that Damian will no longer be Robin goign forward, giving Tim the chance to reclaim the name Robin (and they'll probably just pretend that Tim was never "Robin" in the post-Flashpoint universe, he was always "Red Robin")
I'm bitterly disappointed by this decision, if it what it seems. Damian has been a conentious character since his introduction, but I've liked the kid he's grown into for the most part (though inconsistent writing hasn't helped) and his growth whilst with (and since) Dick!Batman were a lot of fun.
I think I said when New52 came along that Damian was a bad Robin for Bruce in terms of the duo's dynamic and I think I was right. You don't create a thirteen-year old Robin who has such a skewed worldview and then keep isolating him from his father figure(s) because it misses the point of what Robin is for IMHO.
I also worry about the direction they will take him moving forward. Given his actions in Titans it may be more of the anti-hero and that I feel shouldn't be where they take someone who is an Al Ghul who has been trying so hard to be a hero for years now.
I also wonder how Dick will react to this when he comes back to his senses?
Bruce FINALLY confronts Damian over his whole "Jail the bad guys without due process, and possibly reprogram their minds" plan he's been running in Teen Titans of late.
Damian says that since Batman no longer seems to worry about making the villains fear him, HE will.
The other Titans inform him that they're actually not nearly as scared of the villains as they are of Robin these days
Bruce tries to get him to stop.
Too bloody right you have Bruce. A Robin isn't just for random crossover appearances because Bruce is being all broody by himself is what the Batfamily titles tend to go for, it's for life and this kid is THIRTEEN!
Damian has a rather horrible flashback to Alfred's death (and Alfred begging, not for his life, but that Damian isn't made to watch him die, which is ignored) as he stares at the R symbol on his chest, until...
So this does seem to confirm the various rumours that Damian will no longer be Robin goign forward, giving Tim the chance to reclaim the name Robin (and they'll probably just pretend that Tim was never "Robin" in the post-Flashpoint universe, he was always "Red Robin")
I'm bitterly disappointed by this decision, if it what it seems. Damian has been a conentious character since his introduction, but I've liked the kid he's grown into for the most part (though inconsistent writing hasn't helped) and his growth whilst with (and since) Dick!Batman were a lot of fun.
I think I said when New52 came along that Damian was a bad Robin for Bruce in terms of the duo's dynamic and I think I was right. You don't create a thirteen-year old Robin who has such a skewed worldview and then keep isolating him from his father figure(s) because it misses the point of what Robin is for IMHO.
I also worry about the direction they will take him moving forward. Given his actions in Titans it may be more of the anti-hero and that I feel shouldn't be where they take someone who is an Al Ghul who has been trying so hard to be a hero for years now.
I also wonder how Dick will react to this when he comes back to his senses?
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Date: 2020-08-26 11:18 am (UTC)I mean, yes, from an out-of-universe perspective, going "If we did *this* we wouldn't fight the same revolving group of villains!" is futile, because the Joker is always going to come back because writers are going to keep wanting to tell Joker stories. (And also because there often seems to be some fan backlash against new villains, especially ones that are presented as major threats).
But from an in-universe perspective where you're arguing about Batman's methods, he doesn't really have a commitment to the justice system. Consider
When Batman breaks into a warehouse to search for clues, or dangles a crook off a ledge to interrogate him, he's either acting on his own recognizance independently of the police, or he's acting as an agent for the police.
If he's acting independently, he's acting illegally on his own recognizance, because he believes that the outcome of his actions are more important than the law.
If he's acting as an agent of the police, he's acting *unconstitutionally,* because he believes that the outcome of his actions are more important than the law.
Either way, he's not actually motivated by a belief in the justice system- he's acting according to his own set of values, which in many important ways overlap with the values of the justice system.
In this sense, Damian isn't arguing about Justice System should treat villains, he's arguing with the part of Batman's principles that say "Once you've caught the bad guy, the determination of their guilt and their sentencing should be handled through the court system."