scans_daily | Mike Carey on the Magneto/Rogue relationship

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After having Lobdell repeatedly try to shove that non-existent 'ship down my throat through the 1990's, I just have a bad knee jerk reaction to it.

I can't see the two of them as a couple. Yes, they could have sex like bunnies, but actually hanging out together, enjoying one another company? What would they talk about other than being mutants?

Plus Magneto is not exactly Mr. Emotionally Functional. When we last checked in, he was still hung up on his wife (a friend of mine has a very interesting theory as to *why* he is so hung up on Magda after all this time), and has not really dealt with her abandonment and let her go emotionally.

But I do trust Mike Carey, so *if* someone is going to go there, maybe he can make it work.

I just wish they would cut both characters loose form it and move on...

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cmic

I am a blatant Magneto apologist and I like Rogue fine, but this relationship always seemed forced.

I can't even imagine them being attracted to each other (honestly, I can't imagine them even forming personal opinions of each other) so I don't even think they'd fuck like bunnies. They'd ambivalent like bunnies.

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lamashtar

I'll bite. I've read whole essays on his mental functioning! Why does your friend think he's hung up on Magda still?

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Are they going to be on an island? Because Magneto always sexes women up when he's on an island.

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kiplingkat

Of course, there is also the fact that Rogue did not back off. In fact she threw herself at him a couple times. And each time he turned her down.

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crabby_lioness

I can see that. To her he's a fantasy, the charismatic, powerful man who slipped from her grasp. To him she's -- not.

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joysweeper

That image reminds me pretty strongly of one I saw on Star Wars Insider once, of Count Dooku and Asaj Ventress. Dooku stands there glowering, Ventress drapes herself all over him. I thought it was a reflection of the different ways bad guys are portrayed depending on gender. The male villain isn't always but certainly can be the impassive, relentless, unknowable force. The female villain virtually always has that element of sex, and sometimes that irritating hint that she's just passionate and unless she's thoroughly mad, she could fall for a hero and that would be all she needed to turn back on evil.

Off topic, I know. But this isn't the first time I've seen a composition like that, and remembering the other case got me thinking about why this pose tends to crop up.

I am using a Thrawn icon to comment on art and the society in which it was made. ...How did this happen?

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lamashtar

*coughwhitequeencough*

Yeah. :(

But I have some nifty sword and sorcery shots of evil queens looming or sitting impassively in their thrones. They're dressed in bikinis or topless, but that's better than draping themselves over The Man.

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I dunno, the Draco in Leather Pants phenomenon says that male villains often have elements of sex about them. Even Don Juan has a seedy aspect to him, though a female Don Juan would not be very likely, unfortunately. Tropes have not yet advanced enough for that. >.> Though Catherine the Great was as close to a real-life counterpart as Real Life can create.

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ravenous_raven

not in comics, but Google "Seeing Redd." she's the nemesis in that story and doesn't not fall all over any males. nope, she looks down on everyone equally ;)

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cmdr_zoom

Wait.
Magneto and Rogue have a relationship?
When did this happen?
Also, DO NOT WANT

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crabby_lioness

It wasn't much of one, just some gratitude over a him saving her and a bit of mutual flirting when they were all alone in the Savage Land. Nothing that would have survived a third party's presence -- or did.

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jessibot

Urgh, I did not know this was happening. Major squick factor.

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crabby_lioness

See, this is why we need strong female characters back in Marvel Comics. There isn't a single, active woman currently out there strong enough to earn Magneto's attention.

Why yes, I am a Magneto fangirl.

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xdoop

What about Mystique?

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tsunamiwombat

Miss Marvel? The real one.

Or Miss Marvel. The fake one.

...

Mary Jane Watson?

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crabby_lioness

Within a year MJ is going to wake up and find her Petey in the shower, wearing a wedding ring....

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not sure if this is what you're asking but...

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foxhack

But... what about Joseph? T_T

I liked Joseph/Rogue T_T

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kiplingkat

Joseph, "The Magneto clone without test.." I mean, "spine?" The guy that Rogue walked all over?

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blossommorphine

*shivers* That pic, it just feels so skeevy. I don't know what it is about that pairing that sends my inner red alert off. Some of my friends like it, but something about it has always disturbed me. And I'm a Magneto fan, and awfully fond of Rogue depending on the comic/show. Together, it just seems.. *sighs* I hate not knowing why something sets my red alert off, but this does. :|

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crabby_lioness

No matter how mature she comes across in other areas, pursuing this fantasy makes her seem immature.

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aulayan

Nothing constructive.

But I just woke up, so reading this at first, I thought the Bold Part was part of the Mike Carey answer and the "As a fellow young woman" part made me go "...Wow. That level of sarcasm will make him an internet pariah."

... Obviously I do need caffeine to make my brain go.

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sir_mikael

I read it the same way (and I've been up several hours :P) but thought he was making some kind of weird harmless whedon-esque joke with the fellow young woman line.

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iondan

I will forever ship Rogue and Remy.

Also I hate Rogue's new costume.

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crabby_lioness

The scarf needs to go. I love scarves, but not for personal combat.

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halloweenjack

Nothing that has been, or could be, said to justify Magneto/Rogue could be half as cool as movie-Magneto crooning "I love what you've done with your hair" and Rogue starting to take her glove off in response.

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ravenous_raven

Ay-men! just how physically strong is movie Magneto? if Rogue was fast enough and Mystique wasn't there, do you think she could jump him?

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sandoz_iscariot

Anything's better than Remy/Rogue.

/driven out of fandom with torches and pitchforks

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crabby_lioness

I don't get it either, unless she's just desperate for someone from home.

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valismedsen

I've never read this story, that's an ugly ditching Magneto did.
http://s835.photobucket.com/albums/zz275/KiplingKat/?action=view¤t=scan0031.jpg

I do remember that in the original story in the Savage Land Magneto perceives a spark beginning between him and Rogue. There's something about that story, art and plot, that just made their ship for me. Maybe it's got to do with the fact that everybody goes half-naked in the Savage Land and Magneto was depicted as a mature man in his prime (oh boy, I've got some daddy issues...) The moral choice of Magneto was also very interesting, choosing his ideals over an opportunity to experience some feelings. But I have to agree that they could hardly have anything in common to talk about. Anyways, I'm always glad when their... thing... is referenced!

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kiplingkat

It's Magneto Rex, and there was no "ditching". There was no relationship.There never was a relationship. There was one almost kiss and a hug in the Savage Land 8 years prior, that was it. Through the 1990's she kept throwing herself at him and he was letting her down in the most gentle means he knew how. That was like the third time she had pulled the "If you remember what we once shared, you'd do this for me." bit on him and the fact that he did not say, "Look, will you shut up about that already. We didn't share anything." at that point, especially for someone who not well known for their patience, is kind of amazing.

I agree that their little flirtation plays out nicely within that one story arc in the Savage Land, but it was never meant to go beyond that and the excessive attention paid to it through the 1990's, it was part of turned Rogue into a codependent trainwreck.

And that Magneto would choose ideals over a relationship is really not that surprising. A. Magneto is driven by survivors guilt, exacerbated by the fact that he only survived because he took part in the monstrous process that killed millions of his people. So now to justify his very existence, he must save his new people: Mutants, where he could not save his old people, the Jews. That is what Savage Land arc is about: Why Magneto makes the choices he does. "Asking now what I could not then, why was I spared?" And B. He is still hung up on his wife. He cares about women he is with, but last we checked, he was still in love with Magda.